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on to the goodies the good stuff on

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today's podcast we have the one the only

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Grant Cameron discussing a book that is

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close to my heart because it features as

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one of its sky Pilots or people who fly

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UFO craft a close friend of mine a

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friend named Ron Johnson and he is the

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Grant Cameron's book that we will be

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discussing is a barn burner and it comes

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highly recommended

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it's a great read it is UFO Sky pilots

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pilots of peace and Oneness

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for those who don't know Grant he is

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with White house UFO and is a Canadian

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UFO investigator and author who was

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honored as the international researcher

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of the year at Leeds conference

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Grant has been involved in many projects

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dossier's mystere UFO UFOs and

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Consciousness unveiling the truth Hangar

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1 the UFO files ancient aliens alien

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abductions and paranormal sightings real

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people reveal their stories and many

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many more than I can even mention

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Grant has received Awards as UFO

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researcher of the year at UFO Congress

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he is also mutual friends with other

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folks I adore which are the bledsoes

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Vietnam War ended in May 1975 which is

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the month and year I was born but the

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synchronicities and coincidences don't

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end there he is very much interested in

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Consciousness research and the Uintah

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Basin of Utah and its enigmas UFOs and

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high strangeness Cameron has become an

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authority in UFO research since 1975 due

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to his innumerable accomplishments and

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contributions he wrote other

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groundbreaking books like contact

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modalities the portals and UFOs of Mount

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UFO disclosure plan inspired the

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Paranormal world of creativity triangles

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psilocybin School Charlie Red Star and

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you reading there's that many now After

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experiencing a mental download grants

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as you will soon find out 10 steps ahead

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of the mainstream UFO research Community

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Grant welcome to the hero paranormal

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well thank you Ryan you make me sound

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famous I guess I better live up to my

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reputation here

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yeah this is such a great book and such

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a great book the way it came about I I

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don't know where to kick this off at but

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it sounds like in 2013 an elder elderly

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lady approached you claiming she had

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flown a flying saucer and it kind of

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absolutely insane when she told me this

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I mean because the first thing that

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popped into my head when this lady who

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um told me this I first thought of

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um Saudi Arabian women it was the first

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pop in my head that at that point they

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were still not allowed to drive a car

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unless there was a man in the car with

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them and I thought like they let you

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know I said you said like you fly the

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Flying Saucer this makes no sense why

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would why would they let you fly the

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flying saucerer and then and then she

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said oh I've flown three different

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models and I said really I said well how

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do you fly a flank saucer and that's

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what she said you do it with your mind

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and then it all sort of made sense that

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in 2012 I had had this download the same

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time that Ray Hernandez had had his

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experience with his dog being healed and

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the same time that Chris Bledsoe had

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first encountered what he called the

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lady and they all happened within weeks

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of each other and so I immediately

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realized that this had to do with

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in 2012 and February and

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um I had made this shift to uh

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consciousness and when they asked me to

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talk to this lady I didn't know what it

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was about and so when she said you do it

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with your mind then I realized oh that's

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because I've given this lecture

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unconsciousness and they want this woman

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to tell me the story about Consciousness

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and that's what the important part of

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this whole story is is that once this

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lady whose name was

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um I'm not going to forget her name um

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Pam Dupuis came to me uh she uh these

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people started coming to me it wasn't

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sort of like I read about it because if

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you look on the internet there really is

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nothing much written about this but

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um I started to get these people that

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would run into me and one example was

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your friend Chris Butzel and you're a

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good friend of mine and I'm talking to

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him I talked to him the odd time about

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different things and I was talking to

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him and somehow this subject came up and

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he said oh I've flown the Flying Saucer

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and I said you flew it too I'm like it's

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like I run into another person I go you

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flew it too and he said oh yeah I said

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well stop Chris don't don't say anything

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I'm gonna phone you and I want to tape

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this whole thing you just start from the

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beginning and go to the end and I knew

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that he was probably going to do what

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the other people at that point had done

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in just like read off this sort of uh

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off a cue card they're all throwing me

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basically this same bizarre story and

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that's the key part about it is this is

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a very very almost like Jacque Valley

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calls it um uh the the fact that UFO

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stories are absurd they don't make any

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sense and this is the same thing it was

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absurd that all these people were

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telling this story because if you wanted

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to tell a story and get away with it

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that you were on a flying sauce and

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you've been abducted or whatever the

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last thing you would bring up is oh

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there let me fly the Flying Saucer it

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makes no sense whatsoever and so these

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people are all telling me so I want to

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talk to Chris he went through this whole

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um scenario of what people say and then

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this is the sort of the cue card version

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of of what happens they they are invited

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onto the ship and Chris described it

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when he was

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um good to go on the ship he realized

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the inside of the ship was way bigger

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than the outside he looked back on the

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outside and it was the same size and he

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looked inside it was huge and we could

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discuss that later that's another part

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of the pattern that people have is this

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this idea that the craft can be as big

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as they want it to be on the inside so

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Chris said he would win in and these

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beings were there and there was a

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pedestal in the middle of the the ship

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was so the control Center and it had

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what he described is like a beehive

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which was sort of like um black uh

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and he was told to put his hand on his

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beehive that was on his pedestal in the

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middle of the ship and he put his hand

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on there and then he said uh he took his

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hand off and you could see where his

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hand was and he said it looked like a

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CD-ROM with the this the colors of the

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the various waves going through it you

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can see where his hand was and then he

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said the inside of the ship started to

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um to change and he talked about these

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um hexagon shapes inside and there's one

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other woman who did the same thing and I

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was I was just floored when she talked

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about these and she was trying to get

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this explanation of why these hexagon

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things inside the ship were were in her

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her experience and what he said there

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was a hexagon sort of in the wall and

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they started to spin and they got bigger

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and bigger and bigger and these hexagons

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are spinning and I'm not sure exactly

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you know how many there were whether it

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was all the walls or whatever and he

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said the the ship just sort of started

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to change on the inside and then

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suddenly the front window opened up and

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it was the Cape Fear River and he

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realized that he had by touching the

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craft he had become one with the craft

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and the people will all describe this I

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became one with the craft uh whatever I

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thought is what the crop did so the

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craft becomes your mind you become the

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Craft's mind and the craft is alive

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everybody will describe the fact that

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the craft is alive and so this is an

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important aspect of the of the cue card

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version of this thing is that this is

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artificial intelligence everything can

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we do artificial intelligence what's it

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going to look like this is what

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artificial intelligence will look like a

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thousand years from now and that is that

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if we have this idea you can take

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Consciousness and put it in the machine

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whereas Consciousness is primary and the

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idea of this is that in order to get a

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conscious machine you need it to be made

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of biological material so in a lot of

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descriptions people will say the craft

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is grown it's alive they actually grow

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the craft and that's why it's seamless

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and has no rivets that's why on the

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inside it looks like it comes out of a

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mold people say it has these sort of

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Curves there's no 45 degree angles

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inside the ship and it's almost like

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this thing is built out of a mold and so

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people will say this craft is that was

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actually alive some people actually gave

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it a name and they could sort of

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communicate with it and then whatever

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they wanted to do

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um the craft would do and the idea was

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that it was all Consciousness based and

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um whatever you thought is what the

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craft would do and people people would

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described for example Ron Johnson your

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friend

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um his experience he's on the ship and

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then they say to him well where do you

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want to go and he's sitting in a chair

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his little bit different he's sitting in

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a chair and he's got his fingers in the

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holes sort of on the end of this chair

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and that's his link is his connection to

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the ship and he said the the chair

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was almost like it had been built for

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him exactly it's like his built up for

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his body it's kind of weird and so he

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sits in this they said where do you want

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to go and he said oh I'd like to see the

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Milky away from a distance and they said

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okay this is going to take about one

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second and you'll be there but it's

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within you you've got to go within

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yourself it's within you and a lot of

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people will describe this that

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everything is interest inside ourselves

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the idea there's no time and space it's

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all within us almost like this uh thing

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that Stephen Greer uses in his

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meditation before they do the ce5s you

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see yourself as a puny form when within

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you the entire universe isn't folded and

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this is this idea so people will

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describe you instantly go where you want

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to go but you have to have it in your

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mind you gotta imagine where you want to

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go and the ship will immediately take

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you there so Ron said in one second he

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said it was like they were you know

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turning the pages or spinning the pages

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of a book really fast uh and and he was

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going through the dimensions the way he

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described it and he said in one second

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he looked out and there was the Milky

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Way in the distance and I figure you

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know this is probably 50 to 70 000 light

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years that he went in uh one second

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which would tend to indicate there's

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something wrong with our idea of time

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and space real idea of time and space

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and that that's what people describe

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this idea that they can go wherever they

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want the craft is alive and people will

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describe other things where they'll say

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once you put your hand on the panel you

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have 360 degree Vision which when you

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cross it over with other paranormal

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phenomena such as Auto Body Experience

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uh out of body experience also these

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people describe also as soon as they're

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out of their body they can see him 360

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degrees and actually went back to Ron I

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said did you is this like 360 degrees in

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one in one sort of uh like horizontal he

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said no horizontal vertical 360 degrees

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in every direction and that's the you

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know really really sort of new aspect to

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tying this into auto body experiences in

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fact the the one guy who was the pilot

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was the

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um head of Newfound for Japan and he

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saves absolutely every single one of his

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events was out of body experience that

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he's learned meditation he was in why he

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lived he lived in Washington state moved

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to uh Japan and then learned this he had

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had this technique of meditation and

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learned to go out of his body and he

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said he has encounters on the ships with

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the with the Grays all the time and he

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said it's all out about experience so

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this is the the basic thing is he people

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started to tell me this bizarre story

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about flying the ship and that's why I

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put it down I called them the UFO Sky

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Pilots that they are allowed to move the

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craft and that's what I think happens

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with the millab cases where the people

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are taken by force with the military

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that they are forced and that the

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government is trying to figure this

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thing out and they

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um

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read into the Congress this was called

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the Wilson uh Davis document they say we

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have a craft and we think it'll fly and

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that means they have a craft intact and

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they can't fly it and that's because

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they're missing the Consciousness

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interface they're missing someone to

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move it and so when the Milad people are

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taken they are given pieces of equipment

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and stuff and they're able to operate it

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and the gut and the military people

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aren't able to operate it and as soon as

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the person operates it they'll say oh we

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got another one another person that's

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been on board the ship and knows has

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been trained to do this sort of

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paranormal stuff levitation and stuff

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and the experiencers wills is the the

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mill out experiences will describe this

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over and over again that they're forced

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to do levitation and what are the beings

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telling you what are they saying and

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this sort of thing and the government is

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trying to find out so they're going

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through the experiences which makes

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sense to find out what is this

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intelligence and why are they here and

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what kind of Technologies do they have

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that we can develop but unfortunately

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their mission is develop it for for war

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which I don't think the the entities are

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going to go along with

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wow there's so much to unpack here and

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I'm really glad that you brought all

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these things up especially the Wilson

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Davis document leak many have theorized

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that the craft mentioned in the Wilson

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Davis document leak may be housed at

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Bigelow Aerospace again all theory in

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Nevada among other places that they

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theorize but you always seem to be about

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10 steps ahead of the mainstream UFO

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research much like Robert Bigelow has

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moved into Consciousness studies you've

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been saying this for years and I'm

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friends with Ron Johnson as you

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mentioned and Ryan Bledsoe and the

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Bledsoe family you're familiar with them

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both and I 100 percent know they are the

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real deal now Dr Jacques valet which you

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mentioned and Eric Davis wrote a 2004

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paper including a six layer model for

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anomalous phenomenon and in this paper

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the two men pointed out that the various

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levels of the phenomena based on 30

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years of research for Davis and 66 of

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research for valet that there was layer

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one the physical layer Layer Two the

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anti-physical layer 3 psychology of the

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witness layer 4 physiological reactions

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experienced by the witness layer 5 which

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is what your book really delves into the

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psychic element as pointed out in

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parapsychology literature and layer 6 is

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cultural but the level that your book

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really focuses in on peels all the

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layers of the onion back is level five

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and it's the most challenging in my

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belief you know everyone believes in

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this material world this this nuts and

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bolts world view

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you are peeling that all back and I need

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to ask you what have been the

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similarities that you've found in your

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investigation and research

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of these UFO Sky Pilots what do they

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um well I mean I guess they're all

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experiencers they're all been on the

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ship and we call them the sort of the

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experiencers and

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um they will have uh added psychic

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abilities abilities to heal Chris

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Bledsoe has that they are all

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um

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Roger Lear who did the 17 alien implant

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he removed them he was the the doctor in

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Los Angeles he was asked what's common

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between all the people who had the

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implants removed and and he said they're

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all experiencers they're all

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right-brained creative people and

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there's tons of them in Hollywood and

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I've discussed that in the inspired book

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and the contact modalities book where I

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wrote where I talk about this right

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brain left brain thing that a lot of the

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experiences you're going to find are

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musicians I did a whole book on

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musicians how many of them are UFO

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experiencers that uh most experiencers

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are not really uh left brain people

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they're not into the sort of the

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um nuts and bolts are the military or

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this sort of stuff they're more creative

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artistic type people and that's where I

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say the connection is is that there's a

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world out there that you can make

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contact with in the universe of

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different dimensions we're only on one

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sort of frequency but the way that you

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make that contact with the rest of

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um the universe and different aspects is

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to shut down the left brain the rational

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analytical the ego brain that's talking

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all the time and that's why in

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meditation they'll say they're quieting

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the the mind they're not quieting the

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mind they're quieting the left brain

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because left brain is going this is

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garbage I don't believe this is

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happening this is you know this sort of

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stuff and that's what you'll see

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um that once you can shut the noise down

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from the left brain and get you've got a

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clear signal and that's picked up by the

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right brain so you'll you'll see a lot

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of the the sky Pilots were women they're

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just simple women that were picking this

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up uh we did have some some high level

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people because people say oh it's just

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you know people Ordinary People or

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whatever no we had uh one guy who um out

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of San Francisco who was a captain for

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your 747 uh United Airlines so I mean

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that's a talk that's a top Captain

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that's years and years and years of of

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flying before you get to be a captain of

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a 747 and he had had the he called it a

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dream a lot of them called it a dream

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and I I would say yeah everybody

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describes it as a dream just tell me the

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story even though you anticipated a

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dream and he had the dream once and he

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was talking to I don't know if you know

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Joe Burks out of California he was one

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of the ones that ran Steven Greer's

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um uh she Saidi operation in Los in La

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for a couple of years before he moved on

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and he I was friends with uh Joe who is

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the the pilot and he had this dream and

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then he told it to Joe berksen and Joe

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listened and then he had the dream a

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year later and then he said I think we

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better record this and so uh he went on

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the record for me and he told me the

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story of the same thing of flying this

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of this craft and he said this is just

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the way it is and he was a member of

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mission Rama so this is a group that

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started about the same time as me and

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they have these protocols where they're

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able to open these portals what they

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call zendras and they use this

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meditation process where they raise

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their vibration and these beings who are

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like uh sort of like um long hair white

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type beings uh will come to them and uh

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so they're using the same process

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they're quieting the mind they're

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getting uh the the ego mind cut off and

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they make these these contacts and so

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this pilot was a member of mission Rama

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and he knew the protocols and he'd

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actually been inside is Andre been

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inside one of these portal things that

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they'd opened but he said when he had

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the dream the second time he told the

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Joe Burks and Joe Berks we better record

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this so he records that dream I had a

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guy

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um when I was in Los Angeles who

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um uh I was speaking for Orange County

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uh mufon there and it was a big group

545
00:21:17,450 --> 00:21:16,200
and of course a lot of people go to the

546
00:21:19,130 --> 00:21:17,460
restaurant after we were at the

547
00:21:20,750 --> 00:21:19,140
restaurant and suddenly this guy comes

548
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,760
into the restaurant and there they

549
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,559
yelled at me David David David you're at

550
00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:23,760
the you missed Grant's lecture he's

551
00:21:27,409 --> 00:21:25,559
talking about flying the ship he said

552
00:21:29,750 --> 00:21:27,419
tell them tell them about flight your

553
00:21:31,730 --> 00:21:29,760
your experience and then David looked at

554
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,740
me and he said oh I I think it was a

555
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:33,120
dream I said well everybody thinks

556
00:21:37,070 --> 00:21:35,700
there's a dream uh you know that's

557
00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:37,080
that's common people think it's a dream

558
00:21:40,490 --> 00:21:39,059
and then some guy says David David tell

559
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,500
them what you are and tell them what you

560
00:21:44,270 --> 00:21:42,480
do and I said so what'd you do and he

561
00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:44,280
said well I'm a pilot I said well my

562
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:46,020
son's a pilot my father is a pilot I

563
00:21:49,549 --> 00:21:48,000
mean I said tell me what kind of stuff

564
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,559
didn't fly and he says follow me all

565
00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:51,840
these planes and then he says F-16 and I

566
00:21:57,649 --> 00:21:55,320
said F-16 you flown F-16 hey yeah my

567
00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:57,659
retired U.S Air Force Colonel I flew in

568
00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:58,620
Iraq

569
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,320
on top of your dream he's the same sort

570
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,600
of dream where he he gets he has these

571
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,280
people behind them and that almost

572
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:07,440
sounds like Soul when you hear if you've

573
00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,419
studied Michael Newton the idea that you

574
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,700
have these the the soul guides but they

575
00:22:15,049 --> 00:22:13,679
stay behind you and off to the I think

576
00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:15,059
off to the left right after he said

577
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,679
these he didn't know if it was people or

578
00:22:19,549 --> 00:22:18,299
he didn't know it was aliens or what it

579
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:19,559
was but there was somebody behind him

580
00:22:22,909 --> 00:22:21,360
and he walked onto the ship and then

581
00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:22,919
these he was standing in the middle of

582
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,780
the ship and these whatever it was this

583
00:22:28,070 --> 00:22:26,700
voice behind us said go ahead and do it

584
00:22:29,930 --> 00:22:28,080
and he said I don't know what to do

585
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:29,940
which is a very common thing people say

586
00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:31,440
they they're told to do it they don't

587
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,940
they say I don't know what to do and

588
00:22:37,370 --> 00:22:35,100
then they say you know what to do just

589
00:22:39,409 --> 00:22:37,380
do it and then he sees this panel and he

590
00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:39,419
goes to this panel along the wall of

591
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:41,460
craft and he puts his hand on the panel

592
00:22:44,930 --> 00:22:43,679
and he said it was just like an F-16 he

593
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,940
said I'm suddenly I'm flying this thing

594
00:22:48,890 --> 00:22:46,799
and he said it was like suction cups on

595
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:48,900
an F-16 whatever that means and he said

596
00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:50,820
uh suddenly I'm flying this craft he

597
00:22:55,130 --> 00:22:53,340
says it's flying and I take one hand up

598
00:22:57,409 --> 00:22:55,140
off the panel and I'm waiting for the

599
00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:57,419
the UFO to stall I'm gonna put my hand

600
00:23:01,130 --> 00:22:59,159
back down and nothing happened and then

601
00:23:02,810 --> 00:23:01,140
I take my second hand off the panel and

602
00:23:04,850 --> 00:23:02,820
he said it's still flying and I'm not

603
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,860
touching anything and this is this sort

604
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,900
of mental connection with the ship that

605
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:09,120
he becomes one with the ship and he

606
00:23:13,250 --> 00:23:10,679
describes the same thing he was he was

607
00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:13,260
able to uh to fly this ship and wherever

608
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:15,000
he wanted to go is where the where the

609
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,000
craft would go and uh so you see this

610
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,360
very common pattern and uh uh a lot of

611
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:24,059
we had one guy uh high level CIA John

612
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:25,980
Ramirez if you know John Ramirez just

613
00:23:30,409 --> 00:23:27,360
came public he's a high level

614
00:23:32,330 --> 00:23:30,419
intelligence guy who retired and started

615
00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:32,340
telling his story and he talks and his

616
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:34,020
didn't even involve a ship almost like

617
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,440
the guy from from Japan his was uh not

618
00:23:42,169 --> 00:23:40,320
even a ship he could move and describe

619
00:23:44,029 --> 00:23:42,179
that whole experience to me but just a

620
00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:44,039
fascinating thing almost like they it

621
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:45,240
was almost like these people were

622
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:47,100
intended to come to me because there

623
00:23:52,190 --> 00:23:48,480
really was nothing in the literature I

624
00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:52,200
think John uh or um David Jacobs had one

625
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:54,179
case that he described in his book with

626
00:23:57,470 --> 00:23:55,980
this woman and he describes it as an

627
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,480
experiment oh they're just experimenting

628
00:24:02,090 --> 00:23:59,520
with her because hers was she's she's

629
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:02,100
flying the ship and she looks down and

630
00:24:07,130 --> 00:24:05,039
there's a human being chasing this alien

631
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,140
and she's to rescue the alien and say

632
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:09,120
rescue her arrest and she's she's I

633
00:24:12,110 --> 00:24:10,260
don't know what to do you know what to

634
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:12,120
do just do it fly down there and she

635
00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:14,220
flies this ship down and rescues this

636
00:24:17,870 --> 00:24:16,620
alien and so David Jacobs said you know

637
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,880
they're playing with people's minds and

638
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:19,200
stuff like that which may be what

639
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:20,460
they're doing they're teaching you a

640
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,679
lesson of psychic phenomena of the power

641
00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:24,360
of the mind that it's all within all

642
00:24:28,250 --> 00:24:26,340
within you the whole universe is within

643
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:28,260
you this sort of thing and playing this

644
00:24:32,090 --> 00:24:30,000
little game of of being a ship of

645
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:32,100
whatever it is I mean people are telling

646
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,020
exactly the same story it's almost like

647
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:36,000
you just say okay next next you know

648
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,200
exactly where they're going to go at the

649
00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,120
story and they the other key thing that

650
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,100
I should point out is this idea that

651
00:24:44,990 --> 00:24:42,960
once you're one with the ship then you

652
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:45,000
can detect the ship so if you know the

653
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,179
story of Chris Bledsoe when he was with

654
00:24:53,230 --> 00:24:50,159
um John John

655
00:24:55,730 --> 00:24:53,240
um uh um John

656
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:55,740
Alexander comes to visit him and John

657
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,780
had visited all sorts of paranormal

658
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,960
witchcraft people and you know also been

659
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,120
around the world looking at all this uh

660
00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:05,520
paranormal stuff and he was you know

661
00:25:12,770 --> 00:25:09,780
um did his PhD on uh a near-death

662
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:12,780
experiences and you know very well

663
00:25:15,950 --> 00:25:14,820
skilled he went to steady Chris because

664
00:25:17,270 --> 00:25:15,960
that's the whole idea if you want to

665
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:17,280
know what's going on go talk to the

666
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,140
experiences so he went with Chris and

667
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:21,840
they're standing just uh on the top of

668
00:25:26,090 --> 00:25:25,380
the hill near the river where Chris was

669
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:26,100
um

670
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:30,659
said he was flying it down the Cape Fear

671
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,000
River and he's going yeah well he's

672
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:36,059
sitting cross-legged on in the ship just

673
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,440
looking out the window and he was flying

674
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,299
this ship down a couple of these feet

675
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:42,179
off the off the river and uh when John

676
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:44,580
went there uh suddenly Chris said hey

677
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:46,679
they're here and John said how do you

678
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:48,240
know they're here Chris said I just know

679
00:25:51,590 --> 00:25:49,380
they're here they're here they're around

680
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:51,600
and then suddenly this thing appeared

681
00:25:56,269 --> 00:25:54,179
above them this and this big and it just

682
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,279
flew off into the distance and John said

683
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:58,080
he was just he was just floored I mean

684
00:26:01,549 --> 00:26:00,000
partly because he'd never seen a UFO

685
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,559
like that before but because Chris knew

686
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:03,360
it was coming and that's what I think is

687
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:05,400
happening is once you've become one with

688
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:07,559
the ship you vibrate you you know that I

689
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:10,020
understand even like experiences will

690
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:11,940
say I know they're coming tonight I can

691
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:13,320
sense I'm gonna I'm gonna they're coming

692
00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:15,059
to the house tonight they can sort of

693
00:26:19,310 --> 00:26:16,919
feel the vibration of this of of

694
00:26:20,990 --> 00:26:19,320
whatever this uh intelligence is and I

695
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,000
called an intelligence I sort of like

696
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:23,760
with um I'm sort of with Jack ballet on

697
00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:25,799
that it's become more and more and more

698
00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:28,500
complex it seems very unlikely that it's

699
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,940
going to be totally

700
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:32,159
um E.T because you'll see dead people on

701
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,600
the ship and you'll see all sorts of

702
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,880
spiritual lessons and reincarnation and

703
00:26:38,990 --> 00:26:37,440
stuff like that and it's almost like

704
00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:39,000
somebody's giving us some sort of

705
00:26:44,510 --> 00:26:41,820
training that they're guiding us along a

706
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,520
path and and they're picking people who

707
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,380
are there to do the message that's

708
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:48,720
what's Chris Chris busos thing was The

709
00:26:52,669 --> 00:26:50,460
Shining lady told me you have a you have

710
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:52,679
a burden and it is yours to carry and I

711
00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,940
said to Christian know what the burden

712
00:26:57,289 --> 00:26:55,500
is you see yeah I know what the burden

713
00:26:59,090 --> 00:26:57,299
is the burden is the message I'm here to

714
00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:59,100
deliver a message and a lot of these

715
00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,840
experiences will have a message they'll

716
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:02,220
have that's why I call them peace and

717
00:27:05,690 --> 00:27:04,140
Oneness they'll talk about this Oneness

718
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,700
that they're they were one with the

719
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:07,320
craft and and they could instantly move

720
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:09,480
anywhere in the universe and and that

721
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:11,220
the craft was alive and they could

722
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,260
interact with the craft and just this

723
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:15,840
sort of a new world that we're we're

724
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,700
heading into that the government is

725
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,200
trying to discover but they aren't and

726
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,120
you'll hear Eric Davis who is probably

727
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:23,039
the one of the key guys who knows what's

728
00:27:27,409 --> 00:27:25,080
going on he described the fact that the

729
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:27,419
government had shut the UFO program down

730
00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:30,480
in 1989 and they had shelved the whole

731
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:31,500
thing because they just couldn't figure

732
00:27:35,390 --> 00:27:33,900
it out and that every six or seven years

733
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:35,400
they take it off the shelf and then they

734
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:36,779
look at it and still can't figure it out

735
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,580
and they put it back on the shelf and my

736
00:27:42,710 --> 00:27:40,919
interpretation of what's going on now is

737
00:27:44,890 --> 00:27:42,720
that the black World cannot figure it

738
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,900
out because they're all everything's all

739
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,799
compartmentalized and they can't can't

740
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:48,960
get anything organized and so what

741
00:27:52,850 --> 00:27:50,520
they've done is they've tried to try to

742
00:27:55,250 --> 00:27:52,860
drag the academic world into this thing

743
00:27:57,230 --> 00:27:55,260
by doing this gradual disclosure that

744
00:27:58,490 --> 00:27:57,240
this is real the academics are working

745
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:58,500
on it and it's just like a vacuum

746
00:28:01,250 --> 00:27:59,580
cleaner it's all going in the black

747
00:28:02,450 --> 00:28:01,260
world because the black world is trying

748
00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:02,460
to figure out how to turn this thing

749
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,919
into a weapon but every indication I've

750
00:28:08,990 --> 00:28:06,600
followed a lot of high-level people

751
00:28:11,450 --> 00:28:09,000
every indication I've got is number one

752
00:28:13,010 --> 00:28:11,460
they do not they do not understand how

753
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:13,020
this thing works it's Way Beyond them

754
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,419
we're not flying these ships around they

755
00:28:19,549 --> 00:28:17,400
basically almost like Jim semivan the

756
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,559
the high-level CIA guy said he said

757
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,840
there's there is so far gone he said

758
00:28:26,810 --> 00:28:24,360
there does not even appear to be a there

759
00:28:28,850 --> 00:28:26,820
there I mean and he and he had an

760
00:28:31,730 --> 00:28:28,860
encounter with the beings in in his room

761
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,740
and so they don't have any abilities to

762
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:33,960
do this but the one thing that they they

763
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,960
did seem to have abilities which I would

764
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:39,240
say may be possible is that the

765
00:28:43,130 --> 00:28:40,860
government does understand portal

766
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,140
technology they do have some ability to

767
00:28:47,149 --> 00:28:44,880
move people around through these portals

768
00:28:48,890 --> 00:28:47,159
and I I followed a number of CIA people

769
00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,900
and they kept bringing this up and every

770
00:28:52,250 --> 00:28:50,460
time I would go after the anti-gravity

771
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:52,260
thing they would all fall apart but the

772
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:55,020
the portal thing always seem to be there

773
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,000
and then I knew the missionarama people

774
00:29:01,490 --> 00:28:58,799
I knew that they had opened these these

775
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,500
portals and I had an experience if you

776
00:29:06,649 --> 00:29:04,320
know the guy's name is Tim Taylor and

777
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:06,659
he's uh close friends he studied Chris

778
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,480
Bledsoe very carefully and I was with

779
00:29:13,250 --> 00:29:11,580
him and Chris Bledsoe and a couple of

780
00:29:15,649 --> 00:29:13,260
people who are working at that time

781
00:29:18,350 --> 00:29:15,659
Chris was getting a movie deal from

782
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,360
Warner Brothers and uh Chris was all he

783
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,159
was interested in was I got a controlled

784
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:21,600
end of the movie because I have the

785
00:29:24,950 --> 00:29:23,399
message and it's good to have to be and

786
00:29:26,990 --> 00:29:24,960
the way I wanted to end and of course

787
00:29:28,730 --> 00:29:27,000
Hollywood wants you know uh good guys

788
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,740
versus bad guys and all this kind of

789
00:29:32,570 --> 00:29:30,480
stuff and Chris just wouldn't go for it

790
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,580
and he would first lawyer then he had a

791
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:34,080
second lawyer they drafted it again and

792
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,940
Chris turned it down again and this is

793
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,919
the third third attempt and these

794
00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:39,600
high-level business guys were in this

795
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,159
cabin with us and they were telling

796
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,500
Chris no no don't take uh don't take the

797
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,240
royalties there's no royalties not gonna

798
00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:46,799
get any royalties take the money up

799
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:48,360
front and there was a huge amounts of

800
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,279
money we were being thrown around and

801
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:52,080
golf Chris was saying is no I want to

802
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,640
control the end of the movie and they

803
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:55,679
basically uh would not give him control

804
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:58,260
of the end of the movie and uh that may

805
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:01,320
be why the deal fell down uh but um

806
00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:02,940
Chris

807
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:03,620
um

808
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,860
exhibited this disability to get get the

809
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:10,440
message right whereas the military uh

810
00:30:14,510 --> 00:30:12,059
wants to

811
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:14,520
um develop weapons from this

812
00:30:20,510 --> 00:30:18,299
yes Grant so many good good oh my gosh

813
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,520
such good investigation and such good

814
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:23,279
data you have and I'm really glad you

815
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,720
brought up movies and Jordan Peele uh

816
00:30:33,169 --> 00:30:29,520
recently came out with a movie called

817
00:30:35,930 --> 00:30:33,179
nope and as you probably know he was

818
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:35,940
speaking with the bledsoes and I think

819
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:37,799
originally planned on having them

820
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,039
involved but Hollywood always has as you

821
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,200
said a different View and scheme and

822
00:30:48,590 --> 00:30:45,840
they want uh particular people in a

823
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,600
particular genre to convey a particular

824
00:30:52,149 --> 00:30:50,399
message like you said with good guys bad

825
00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:52,159
guys making it gory

826
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:56,000
but so true on the movie front and

827
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:59,159
biologically I find it amazing that the

828
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:00,899
craft seemed to be biologically

829
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:04,500
perfectly made for the pilots that drive

830
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,080
them ergonomically correct in every way

831
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:09,360
down to probably the DNA required to fly

832
00:31:14,649 --> 00:31:12,720
it and there have been mentions which

833
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:14,659
were in fact classified previously

834
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,659
mentioning that this uh technology held

835
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,580
by our government or private aerospace

836
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,860
companies which for plausible

837
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,320
deniability reasons may be contracted to

838
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:28,320
hold and research the craft but people

839
00:31:33,889 --> 00:31:31,140
who are primarily contactees or

840
00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:33,899
abductees are brought in to touch

841
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:37,260
interact and engage with parts of the

842
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:39,360
Metallurgy or other parts that may be

843
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,120
associated with the craft to see if they

844
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:46,080
have the conscious key of interaction do

845
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,080
you think they are still at step one or

846
00:31:53,630 --> 00:31:51,120
are they making any progress in

847
00:31:55,789 --> 00:31:53,640
unlocking this enigma

848
00:31:57,529 --> 00:31:55,799
every indication I've got is that

849
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:57,539
they're absolutely at a standstill they

850
00:32:02,210 --> 00:31:59,940
they just simply cannot go there they do

851
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:02,220
know the Consciousness uh aspect for

852
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:03,899
example Tom Delong talks about going to

853
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:07,140
the skip when he's in 2015 he's invited

854
00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,380
into a skiff a sensitive compartmented

855
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,200
uh information facility for Lockheed and

856
00:32:16,730 --> 00:32:15,120
he said when he was there he was talking

857
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:16,740
about different things and then they had

858
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:19,440
scientists for Lockheed said okay well I

859
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:20,399
just want to know how did it get here

860
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:23,039
how does US proposal system work and

861
00:32:26,210 --> 00:32:24,840
because Tom Delong have been hanging

862
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,220
around with Greer at that time he broke

863
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:27,600
away from Greer but been hanging around

864
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,620
his beer he said oh I think

865
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:30,600
Consciousness is involved and he said

866
00:32:35,389 --> 00:32:33,840
suddenly the the the scientist lights up

867
00:32:36,710 --> 00:32:35,399
he said that's all the guy wanted to

868
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,720
talk about for 45 minutes was

869
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,880
Consciousness bad scientists for Rocky

870
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:40,799
so they understand the Consciousness but

871
00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:43,919
it's in terms of of actually uh trying

872
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,200
to unlock it I don't think you you hear

873
00:32:52,010 --> 00:32:48,539
these things like as hell put off jean

874
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:52,020
valet and kid green all met at a Denny's

875
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:53,220
restaurant they've actually confirmed

876
00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,960
this when I put it out that this

877
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,520
actually did take place and it's called

878
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,679
The Core story The Core story is they

879
00:33:01,430 --> 00:33:00,240
were looking and saying well there's all

880
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,440
this stuff like we don't know what to

881
00:33:04,370 --> 00:33:03,000
believe like how do you know what's

882
00:33:06,289 --> 00:33:04,380
actually going on and they came up with

883
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:06,299
the core story of what's the core story

884
00:33:09,710 --> 00:33:07,919
of what we think is actually going on

885
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,720
and it is that we are being act

886
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:12,600
interacted by some sort of intelligence

887
00:33:18,169 --> 00:33:16,320
um and they um we've got Hardware we've

888
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:18,179
recovered hardware and we're not having

889
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,820
any success at re reproducing the

890
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,500
hardware and it's this Consciousness

891
00:33:26,029 --> 00:33:24,720
thing that that they they basically have

892
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,039
figure out and that's why they're going

893
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,440
to these experiences and that's why when

894
00:33:32,090 --> 00:33:30,000
you take a look at the big thing the

895
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,100
Bigelow contract the Bigelow contract

896
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,559
had nothing to do really with UFOs as

897
00:33:39,470 --> 00:33:37,740
the way I see it is the OSAP program the

898
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,480
money was given there was there was uh

899
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,519
atip was working there but atip didn't

900
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:43,559
even have an office in the Pentagon but

901
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:46,559
the uh the ASAP program was meant to

902
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,620
study I say Skinwalker Ranch that's what

903
00:33:54,049 --> 00:33:51,779
they wanted to do they there's even a

904
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,059
I'm doing a book on a poor and

905
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:55,440
manifestations which is coming out

906
00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,299
shortly and that's on the ability to

907
00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:58,860
move objects around and make things

908
00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:01,380
appear out of The Ether or whatever that

909
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:03,419
you'll see in physical seances and

910
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:06,000
psychics and UFO experiences and stuff

911
00:34:13,609 --> 00:34:09,720
like that and um so the the this aspect

912
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,619
of of the um the uh the Consciousness

913
00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:15,839
they just can't get there they can't

914
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:17,940
they can't go there but they do know

915
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:19,820
that that it's involved so when they

916
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,980
awarded the contract for us app uh

917
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:24,240
there's 22 million they went to

918
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:25,560
Skinwalker Ranch now what were they

919
00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:26,940
interested in the skin marker Ranch

920
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,859
there really was not many reports of

921
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:31,320
UFOs there was reports of orbs cattle

922
00:34:34,970 --> 00:34:32,940
mutilations upwards things of

923
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,980
Disappearing reappearing like the woman

924
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:37,200
comes home and with all her groceries in

925
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:39,179
in these bags and she puts the bags on

926
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,619
the counter puts all the groceries away

927
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,240
goes to the Next Room comes back and all

928
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:44,099
the groceries are back in the bag that

929
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:45,419
kind of stuff that's what they're trying

930
00:34:49,609 --> 00:34:46,919
to figure out and they were trying to

931
00:34:51,649 --> 00:34:49,619
figure out uh like the the original Dia

932
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,659
guy that went there to look whether they

933
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:53,220
were going to do the contract said he

934
00:34:57,950 --> 00:34:55,080
sat down and Bigelow was sitting across

935
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,960
from him some and the the Bigelow's head

936
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,580
scientists were sitting off to the side

937
00:35:03,109 --> 00:35:01,260
and he said suddenly this thing appears

938
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:03,119
this metal thing appears behind Bigelow

939
00:35:06,589 --> 00:35:04,619
and he said I'm the only one I can see

940
00:35:08,089 --> 00:35:06,599
it my vantage point it was exactly where

941
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,099
I could see it and nobody else could see

942
00:35:11,210 --> 00:35:09,839
it and he looked away and then he looked

943
00:35:13,370 --> 00:35:11,220
back to see maybe he was hallucinating

944
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,380
and no it was still there and that's the

945
00:35:16,970 --> 00:35:14,820
guy that awarded the contract because

946
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:16,980
they wanted to go in there and they the

947
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:18,960
the big story I think that they they

948
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,420
really liked was the Bulls if you know

949
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:23,760
the story I can walk a ranch that the

950
00:35:27,230 --> 00:35:25,500
guy said oh hope that don't mess with my

951
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,240
Bulls you have these four prize bowls

952
00:35:30,290 --> 00:35:29,040
that were worth huge money and he goes

953
00:35:31,790 --> 00:35:30,300
running out of the house in the in the

954
00:35:33,410 --> 00:35:31,800
Corral the four Bulls are gone and he

955
00:35:35,390 --> 00:35:33,420
goes oh no my balls are gone I got my

956
00:35:37,130 --> 00:35:35,400
balls and then he's looking around he

957
00:35:39,710 --> 00:35:37,140
sees this trailer and it's hadn't been

958
00:35:41,329 --> 00:35:39,720
opened for years as this uh lock on the

959
00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:41,339
trailer anyone I wonder if they put the

960
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:43,260
Bulls in the trailer and he opens the

961
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:45,180
opens his lock and opens the trailer and

962
00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:46,680
these Bulls are stuffed in there like

963
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:48,540
sardines and then they just panic and

964
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:50,220
they just destroy the trailer these four

965
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,599
Bulls that's what they're trying to

966
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:52,920
figure out how do you put Bulls in a

967
00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:55,200
trailer through through the metal and

968
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:56,460
the other thing that they wanted to do

969
00:36:02,630 --> 00:35:58,680
is they wanted to to um

970
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,640
uh figure out that the sort of the

971
00:36:07,069 --> 00:36:04,320
ability to move stuff around and they

972
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:07,079
actually use the 1974 document that I

973
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:09,540
were that I referenced a Dia document

974
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,099
for 1974 where they talk about

975
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:13,440
applications and they say if we can

976
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:15,300
develop this technology we can go into

977
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:17,880
the enemy we can take their documents

978
00:36:22,370 --> 00:36:20,280
bring them here photocopy them and put

979
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,380
them back where we found them and they

980
00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:24,180
the enemy will not even know we were

981
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,800
there that's the kind of stuff so

982
00:36:29,150 --> 00:36:27,839
they're trying to get the technology how

983
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:29,160
do you make stuff disappear how do you

984
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,200
make it reappear or the the incident

985
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,359
that that everybody's famous with is the

986
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:35,040
incidents with the Special Forces guys

987
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:37,200
so these Special Forces guys they're

988
00:36:40,970 --> 00:36:39,240
armed there's hunting the skinwalker

989
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,980
they're on the property they're brought

990
00:36:45,650 --> 00:36:43,440
in by Bigelow and of course they run

991
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,660
into the force which basically uh

992
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:47,040
actually talks in their head this is

993
00:36:50,210 --> 00:36:48,420
part of the story that is not in the

994
00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:50,220
skinwalker book they hear this voice in

995
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,099
their head and it says leave you are not

996
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,960
welcome and these guys are just

997
00:36:59,870 --> 00:36:56,760
absolutely petrified they feel this cold

998
00:37:01,550 --> 00:36:59,880
and this is sort of feeling of evil and

999
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,560
and they back away and they go home and

1000
00:37:04,910 --> 00:37:02,880
that's when they have these orbs follow

1001
00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:04,920
them and their their kids are haunted by

1002
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,660
these orbs and the wives and they're

1003
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,520
seeing these dogmen and this horrible

1004
00:37:13,730 --> 00:37:10,380
thing and basically it's a reflective

1005
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:13,740
type thing where uh Brandon fugle who's

1006
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,140
the new owner Skinwalker says there's a

1007
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,240
reflective nature to this phenomena so

1008
00:37:22,130 --> 00:37:20,220
if you're hunting it with guns if you're

1009
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:22,140
having a bad day and you go on to the

1010
00:37:26,089 --> 00:37:23,520
ranch get ready you could have a real

1011
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,099
bad experience and so when when Brandon

1012
00:37:32,030 --> 00:37:28,740
fugo flies in with his helicopter to the

1013
00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:32,040
ranch he says they go where they pray as

1014
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,660
they're going in and he said it's

1015
00:37:38,210 --> 00:37:36,119
reflective be very careful or or George

1016
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:38,220
Knapp said those that were the most

1017
00:37:42,109 --> 00:37:40,380
aggressive to the phenomena Skinwalker

1018
00:37:44,210 --> 00:37:42,119
had the worst experiences so there's

1019
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,220
this reflective nature to the phenomena

1020
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:46,560
that that it can be it can be very very

1021
00:37:51,230 --> 00:37:49,560
damaging and be very careful I always

1022
00:37:53,569 --> 00:37:51,240
make the joke don't take us don't take a

1023
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,579
gun to a ce5 but I did actually have a

1024
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:55,560
ce5 these people in Georgia I just

1025
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:57,000
interviewed them and they said these two

1026
00:38:01,490 --> 00:37:58,500
guys went into the the portal and they

1027
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,500
ran injured and I I'm working very heavy

1028
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:03,359
on this whether people get injured and

1029
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:07,140
good and bad versus bad demons or aliens

1030
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:09,060
and I said to them I said oh they were

1031
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,320
injured that would happen she said well

1032
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:12,839
the one guy he died shortly after that

1033
00:38:16,849 --> 00:38:14,520
and the other guy his cancer came back

1034
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:16,859
and I said oh I said well you you talked

1035
00:38:21,230 --> 00:38:19,140
about when you're at the the sea five

1036
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:21,240
you all have guns because there's you

1037
00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:22,560
know rattlesnakes and there's all such

1038
00:38:25,790 --> 00:38:23,820
stuff so everybody brings their gun to

1039
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,800
the C5 I said where these guys armed

1040
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:27,060
when they went into the portal and she

1041
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,920
said Oya and she said they were Special

1042
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:30,960
Forces guys I said well thank you that

1043
00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:32,820
sort of explains why if they were

1044
00:38:37,010 --> 00:38:35,099
injured that you can't be going into a

1045
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:37,020
uh somebody else's world and bringing

1046
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,480
your guns with you and even the the one

1047
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,640
with I I taught reference the the good

1048
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,859
versus evil thing with uh the rentals

1049
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:45,839
from forest where one guy is injured

1050
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,700
John Burroughs is injured and I always

1051
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:49,560
asked John and I asked everybody I said

1052
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:51,960
okay so why was John only injured if

1053
00:38:56,270 --> 00:38:54,180
this is a radioactive type force that

1054
00:38:58,250 --> 00:38:56,280
was given off when this craft sort of

1055
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:58,260
flared up that's what happened this

1056
00:39:02,270 --> 00:38:59,640
thing was over the hill and it suddenly

1057
00:39:03,890 --> 00:39:02,280
flared up and they hit the ground and I

1058
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,900
said why was John the only one injured

1059
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,520
why weren't the other two guys they were

1060
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:07,500
right there too and and then the story

1061
00:39:11,810 --> 00:39:09,000
was told by the third guy that was in

1062
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:11,820
the back peniston or no commands act and

1063
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:13,740
kabanzak said when the thing flared up

1064
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,020
pandestine yelled opened fire and John

1065
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:17,760
pulled his gun and just like John

1066
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:20,040
Burroughs was injured and I say hey this

1067
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:22,619
is a reflective property that you if you

1068
00:39:26,690 --> 00:39:24,359
decide you're going to try to shoot down

1069
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,700
like the Cubans did the Americans had a

1070
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,140
story they actually intercepted a

1071
00:39:33,290 --> 00:39:30,300
communication where a UFO was coming in

1072
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:33,300
over Cuba and um they they were

1073
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,400
listening to the the two guys talk and

1074
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,440
they were told uh take it down take it

1075
00:39:42,230 --> 00:39:40,380
down and the front guy uh locked on and

1076
00:39:44,510 --> 00:39:42,240
as soon as he locked on they could hear

1077
00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:44,520
the the wing man saying he's gone he's

1078
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:46,140
gone and the plane just totally

1079
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,480
disintegrated just gone like that and

1080
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,980
this is all picked up at U.S Air Force

1081
00:39:53,870 --> 00:39:51,599
intelligence the Stanton Friedman got on

1082
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:53,880
it and the FBI was involved they went

1083
00:39:57,290 --> 00:39:55,500
and threatened one of the investigators

1084
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:57,300
to shut up about this because the

1085
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,320
investigators are saying if you don't

1086
00:40:01,609 --> 00:40:00,000
talk to us we're going to the Cuban

1087
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:01,619
Embassy to get this story and that's

1088
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:03,420
when the FBI showed up so the government

1089
00:40:06,770 --> 00:40:04,980
watches all this kind of stuff they're

1090
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:06,780
trying to get it in behind the scenes

1091
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:08,460
the unfortunate thing is they're trying

1092
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,520
to get it turned it into weapons whereas

1093
00:40:14,990 --> 00:40:13,680
when we were at the Acadian thing the

1094
00:40:16,730 --> 00:40:15,000
Canadians wanted to do it different the

1095
00:40:18,530 --> 00:40:16,740
Canadians don't want to do the military

1096
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:18,540
threat thing they want to do a

1097
00:40:21,710 --> 00:40:20,220
scientific investigation and the

1098
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,720
high-level people that I talked to in

1099
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:23,040
the United States just aren't interested

1100
00:40:25,790 --> 00:40:24,540
we're not we're not going to help you if

1101
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:25,800
that's what you're going to do we we're

1102
00:40:29,329 --> 00:40:27,300
not interested they called it the poison

1103
00:40:30,890 --> 00:40:29,339
pill we don't want to get involved in

1104
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,900
that but to me it's got to be a

1105
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:32,160
scientific investigation it's got to be

1106
00:40:36,410 --> 00:40:34,380
for the good of mankind and not to see

1107
00:40:38,690 --> 00:40:36,420
if uh you're going to build weapons and

1108
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:38,700
uh if you can strip the leaves twice as

1109
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:41,040
fast off the leaves the the trees or

1110
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,900
whatever you want to do that this could

1111
00:40:46,910 --> 00:40:44,880
be a very damaging technology it's it's

1112
00:40:48,410 --> 00:40:46,920
so powerful that I think there's the

1113
00:40:50,510 --> 00:40:48,420
message has to go along with this thing

1114
00:40:51,770 --> 00:40:50,520
this idea of Oneness that we are all one

1115
00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:51,780
that we all

1116
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,320
um you know are connected and that um

1117
00:40:59,630 --> 00:40:56,940
you go anywhere in the universe you want

1118
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:59,640
it's all it's all here now now but it

1119
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:01,740
has you you can use it for good or you

1120
00:41:08,569 --> 00:41:05,099
can use it for evil yeah there is there

1121
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:08,579
is such such a deep Enigma I'm glad you

1122
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:12,060
brought in the uh the fact that John

1123
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:15,720
Ramirez which is xcia I mean coming back

1124
00:41:20,270 --> 00:41:17,820
to him he has such fascinating insight

1125
00:41:22,609 --> 00:41:20,280
into the world of UFOs and I have

1126
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:22,619
questions about that but when it comes

1127
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,020
to stuff people aren't supposed to know

1128
00:41:31,130 --> 00:41:29,040
because they are top secret or closely

1129
00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,140
held to the chest of those in the

1130
00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:33,720
invisible College you always seem to

1131
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,260
know about it grant for example your

1132
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:39,839
knowledge of Timothy Taylor who I always

1133
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,599
call Travis Taylor the designated decoy

1134
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,060
not to take away from his knowledge or

1135
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:48,000
accomplishments I mean in fact you know

1136
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,460
Travis Taylor uh he and I have a lot of

1137
00:41:54,410 --> 00:41:52,560
things in common especially as far as

1138
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,420
experience and in events we have both

1139
00:41:58,370 --> 00:41:57,359
witnessed in the area but getting back

1140
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:58,380
to

1141
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,260
um American Cosmic and the player that

1142
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,079
was known as Tyler Durden this is a

1143
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,240
closely held secret you you know all

1144
00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:08,640
this stuff and getting back to the craft

1145
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,579
and the Metallurgy or meta materials as

1146
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:14,640
they call it many believe that this

1147
00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:18,420
metal is the key or the breadcrumbs to a

1148
00:42:23,930 --> 00:42:21,240
larger pattern of reality people act as

1149
00:42:26,569 --> 00:42:23,940
if they have this blazing evidence that

1150
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:26,579
they have found they usually send it to

1151
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,480
Jacque Valley and I believe and I I'm

1152
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,640
pretty sure that you may believe that

1153
00:42:36,109 --> 00:42:34,380
they or are friends who control the

1154
00:42:38,569 --> 00:42:36,119
craft or intelligence in charge of it

1155
00:42:40,430 --> 00:42:38,579
are actually dropping these breadcrumbs

1156
00:42:42,530 --> 00:42:40,440
on purpose what are your thoughts and

1157
00:42:44,930 --> 00:42:42,540
why are they doing that

1158
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,940
yeah that's one of the things I brought

1159
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:46,560
up with Jacqueline when I interviewed

1160
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:48,000
him is that

1161
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:50,220
um if you've listened to

1162
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,960
um the question was asked about crashes

1163
00:42:56,810 --> 00:42:54,180
to Bob Bigelow and he said oh yeah

1164
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:56,820
Roswell happened he said uh but this

1165
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:58,740
happened to other places there was one

1166
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:01,740
in uh Russia there was one in China

1167
00:43:05,630 --> 00:43:04,200
there was one in South America he said I

1168
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:05,640
think they're seating them around the

1169
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:09,180
world I'm just seeding them and um other

1170
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:11,400
people have have uh sort of described

1171
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,339
the fact uh and and so when I met

1172
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,220
um uh Tim Taylor he was a friend of my

1173
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:18,960
friend here in Winnipeg as a businessman

1174
00:43:23,390 --> 00:43:21,180
that's how he got invited and uh they

1175
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:23,400
had been to the the crash site my friend

1176
00:43:28,010 --> 00:43:26,579
had uh talked to Tim Taylor at a UFO

1177
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:28,020
conference he said we're going to do

1178
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:29,940
this dig at this UFO craft site if you

1179
00:43:33,890 --> 00:43:31,859
want to come and so Tim Taylor said yeah

1180
00:43:36,589 --> 00:43:33,900
yeah sure I'll come and he went and as

1181
00:43:38,450 --> 00:43:36,599
soon as he saw the honeycomb material he

1182
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:38,460
apparently got very excited he said this

1183
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:40,619
is legitimate and this is the one that

1184
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,500
they call the the gifting field and so

1185
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,200
there's this idea that that this is uh

1186
00:43:50,809 --> 00:43:48,300
uh stuff that's that's being dropped on

1187
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:50,819
purpose and uh if you read American

1188
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,640
Cosmic by Diane pasoka she says that

1189
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:55,560
that when they get there again it's this

1190
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,079
reflective aspect she said when she said

1191
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,780
when we got there and Gary Nolan was

1192
00:44:04,670 --> 00:44:02,640
with them they changed his name but it

1193
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,680
was Gary Nolan her they were blindfolded

1194
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:06,359
and taken to this site which I know it

1195
00:44:10,130 --> 00:44:08,099
is I actually got photographs of the

1196
00:44:12,349 --> 00:44:10,140
site and uh then they took their

1197
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:12,359
blindfolds off and she said the first

1198
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:13,980
thing they did is they kid Taylor

1199
00:44:18,950 --> 00:44:17,099
started to pray and and uh they built an

1200
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,960
altar and she said there's all these

1201
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:20,280
altars built and it's a government

1202
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:22,079
property and all these altars are built

1203
00:44:25,849 --> 00:44:23,760
there by all these people that come on

1204
00:44:27,710 --> 00:44:25,859
and they all will do this praying thing

1205
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:27,720
and build an altar before they go on the

1206
00:44:32,030 --> 00:44:29,819
site and Tim Taylor had referred to it

1207
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,040
as as the gifting field and that's the

1208
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,839
idea that they're they're dropping this

1209
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:36,180
stuff that they're sort of not giving

1210
00:44:40,190 --> 00:44:37,380
you the whole thing but they're giving

1211
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:40,200
you little pieces that sort of uh get us

1212
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,819
to figure it out for ourselves they're

1213
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:43,500
not here to sell all of our problems

1214
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,540
into you know all this kind of stuff but

1215
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:46,560
they dropped this kind of stuff because

1216
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:48,359
they've this stuff's been dropping all

1217
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,740
the time so when I said to Jacques

1218
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,839
ballet I said shock I said this is this

1219
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:53,760
is crazy even even the whole thing with

1220
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,980
you you mentioned uh you know the early

1221
00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:58,319
days where they were working with Yuri

1222
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:00,060
Geller and and that's when they had the

1223
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,500
airport where in the ice cream where

1224
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:03,599
Yuri Yeller bites down and he gets this

1225
00:45:07,370 --> 00:45:05,880
pin and it's Edgar Mitchell's pin fight

1226
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,380
pin that he'd lost two years before and

1227
00:45:10,430 --> 00:45:08,700
he used it he said why'd you get that I

1228
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,440
lost that two years ago and then when

1229
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:11,940
they were back in the lab they were in

1230
00:45:17,690 --> 00:45:15,180
the lab and there was uh how

1231
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:17,700
um Edgar Mitchell and help help put off

1232
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,560
were in one room your Geller was in the

1233
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,599
other room and they'll said to hear this

1234
00:45:25,069 --> 00:45:23,760
the sound behind them you look behind

1235
00:45:26,750 --> 00:45:25,079
him in the back part of the fan had just

1236
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:26,760
falling out of the ceiling behind them

1237
00:45:31,069 --> 00:45:29,640
so I contacted uh hell put off and I

1238
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:31,079
said because hell was working on this

1239
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:33,180
metal thing too and I said hell come on

1240
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,520
this is this is like this is not the

1241
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:37,440
metal this is this is gifting stuff this

1242
00:45:40,849 --> 00:45:39,240
is you had it happen in your lab you

1243
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,859
know this is upwards and manifestation

1244
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:43,440
so there are this stuff so falling even

1245
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,400
like

1246
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:45,680
um

1247
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,500
the the runs from forest thing when when

1248
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:53,760
that happened he was the commanding

1249
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,040
officer there he even he had in a

1250
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,440
portfolio it was a he was in America and

1251
00:46:02,030 --> 00:46:00,359
a British pound coin dropped out of the

1252
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:02,040
ceiling and rolled and hit him in the

1253
00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:03,420
boot he said they changed his whole life

1254
00:46:06,589 --> 00:46:04,680
when that happened to him he said it was

1255
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,599
just blurred by this thing so you have

1256
00:46:10,670 --> 00:46:08,640
this this I said to Jacques ballet and

1257
00:46:13,069 --> 00:46:10,680
said come on Jack this is this is crazy

1258
00:46:15,170 --> 00:46:13,079
I mean this stuff is falling all the

1259
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:15,180
time and the actually the first case was

1260
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,260
not

1261
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:18,560
um the

1262
00:46:24,349 --> 00:46:23,220
1947 June uh case with uh his Pilot I

1263
00:46:26,930 --> 00:46:24,359
can't remember his name it was actually

1264
00:46:29,089 --> 00:46:26,940
the the Mori Island was three days

1265
00:46:30,829 --> 00:46:29,099
before that the UFO thing actually

1266
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:30,839
starts with this huge explosion with

1267
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:32,520
this moriel and stuff falling out of

1268
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:34,980
this UFO that explodes in in Washington

1269
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:36,720
and you see this over and over again

1270
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:38,819
even we had a piece that we found in in

1271
00:46:44,329 --> 00:46:41,460
uh in the collection of uh James

1272
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:44,339
McDonald we were in it's in in looking

1273
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:46,740
at the files in Tucson and there was one

1274
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:48,660
kid flying out of the sky in 1939

1275
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,480
embedded into the into the in some guy's

1276
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,920
garden and he gave it to his wife and

1277
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:54,480
they actually brought the piece to NASA

1278
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:56,000
in

1279
00:47:01,849 --> 00:46:59,000
1967 to analyze this piece there was 99

1280
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:01,859
nickel uh that nothing was built at that

1281
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:04,079
time in the sky that was 99 nickel and

1282
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:06,420
it had a a metal core running to the

1283
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:07,800
middle of this thing and it just came

1284
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:09,300
out of nowhere so I said this is exactly

1285
00:47:12,109 --> 00:47:10,380
I said come on Jack this looks like

1286
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:12,119
they're just dropping this stuff to to

1287
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:14,280
play with our minds and to give us

1288
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:16,380
little hints and stuff and Jack said oh

1289
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,300
I think I was the one that came up with

1290
00:47:23,329 --> 00:47:21,000
that term so they all believe that they

1291
00:47:25,130 --> 00:47:23,339
all know that this stuff is not it's I

1292
00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:25,140
even said to Jacque I said I said to

1293
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,460
hell I said to Jacques I said come on

1294
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,560
this is making sense I mean you you come

1295
00:47:33,290 --> 00:47:30,960
from another galaxy and you fly you know

1296
00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:33,300
through to miss stars and black holes

1297
00:47:36,770 --> 00:47:35,220
and you're avoiding all this you know uh

1298
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,780
asteroids and stuff and you make it all

1299
00:47:39,890 --> 00:47:38,339
the way here and then pieces start

1300
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:39,900
falling off the craft come on this is

1301
00:47:43,130 --> 00:47:41,339
not they're dropping this stuff on

1302
00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:43,140
purpose and so they'll show you stuff

1303
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,819
like I think they've got some technology

1304
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:47,040
there like in terms of understanding

1305
00:47:50,690 --> 00:47:48,720
that these this metal is being built one

1306
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,700
atom at a time and they're layering this

1307
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,319
stuff down now that kind of stuff they

1308
00:47:55,309 --> 00:47:53,760
configure but in terms of building the

1309
00:47:57,950 --> 00:47:55,319
craft they're always going to be missing

1310
00:48:00,109 --> 00:47:57,960
that that component of of Consciousness

1311
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,119
to turn the thing on that that you can

1312
00:48:04,490 --> 00:48:02,400
have the the metal and but you're always

1313
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:04,500
going to run up against this block of

1314
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,700
conscious and that's the whole thing

1315
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,440
people have that's the material world we

1316
00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,359
have to I had a download experience in

1317
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,060
2016 where I was I was told if the world

1318
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:13,680
is made out of little nuts and bolts

1319
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:15,780
that's one world with certain rules and

1320
00:48:18,530 --> 00:48:17,400
regulations but

1321
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,540
if the world is made out of

1322
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:20,160
Consciousness that's a completely

1323
00:48:23,569 --> 00:48:21,780
different world and all the rules are

1324
00:48:26,589 --> 00:48:23,579
going to change and so people think well

1325
00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,599
we have the brain creates Consciousness

1326
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:29,460
and uh anybody who's had an out about

1327
00:48:32,569 --> 00:48:30,960
experience knows that's not true because

1328
00:48:33,890 --> 00:48:32,579
you can look back at your body and you

1329
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,900
can see your brain you can see your head

1330
00:48:37,970 --> 00:48:35,760
and where's your Consciousness it's not

1331
00:48:40,609 --> 00:48:37,980
in your head your your head is in your

1332
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,619
Consciousness and and so this is the

1333
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,960
with the part that people Miss is that

1334
00:48:46,609 --> 00:48:44,640
there's this uh the world is made out of

1335
00:48:48,349 --> 00:48:46,619
Consciousness that Consciousness creates

1336
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:48,359
matter not the other way around so

1337
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,560
people have a society we're going to get

1338
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,880
a machine we're going to get this

1339
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,020
Consciousness wherever it's whatever

1340
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:53,520
it's made out of we're going to stick to

1341
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:54,720
Consciousness in the machine but it's

1342
00:48:58,609 --> 00:48:56,040
the other way around Consciousness

1343
00:49:00,109 --> 00:48:58,619
creates me machine it's almost like God

1344
00:49:02,990 --> 00:49:00,119
did not create the heavens and the Earth

1345
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,000
God created the Sparks of the Divine and

1346
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,800
we are the ones creating the Heaven and

1347
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,900
Earth as we move along we're creating it

1348
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:08,880
through our Consciousness and we and so

1349
00:49:13,609 --> 00:49:10,619
whatever you think of something you the

1350
00:49:16,430 --> 00:49:13,619
world becomes uh a more magnificent it

1351
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:16,440
becomes more complex you you with your

1352
00:49:20,089 --> 00:49:17,880
senses you take stuff out of to the

1353
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,099
environment and you create a new idea or

1354
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,839
a new concept or whatever and the

1355
00:49:26,270 --> 00:49:23,520
universe is just made out of this

1356
00:49:28,970 --> 00:49:26,280
intelligence and knowledge and every

1357
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,980
time somebody lives they add to that

1358
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:31,560
that the glory and the magnificence of

1359
00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:32,940
the universe and it just gets more

1360
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:34,500
complex and bigger and bigger and bigger

1361
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,060
that's my interpretation how it works

1362
00:49:40,670 --> 00:49:37,680
it's all made out of Consciousness but

1363
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:40,680
we've got a a while to go before we make

1364
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,660
that but you've seen you see a lot

1365
00:49:47,150 --> 00:49:44,520
there's actually a group that's actually

1366
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:47,160
signed a and I think there's 200 or 400

1367
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:48,599
scientists have actually signed this

1368
00:49:53,870 --> 00:49:51,300
Manifesto that say post-material world

1369
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:53,880
that they no longer believe matters the

1370
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:56,760
the the the the prime mover and a lot of

1371
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,700
people fail to recognize that the

1372
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:02,040
original guys the original quantum

1373
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:03,780
physics guys were all realists they all

1374
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:05,819
believe that that Consciousness was

1375
00:50:09,950 --> 00:50:08,339
primary days like Max Planck Nothing

1376
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,960
Gets behind Consciousness they all

1377
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:11,940
understood this concept and that was the

1378
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:14,400
big fight in the 1927 Soleil conference

1379
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:15,900
that the big fight was over this thing

1380
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,920
about God and rolling Dice and and and

1381
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,319
Einstein and boar having this conflict

1382
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:24,480
about what is called primary how does it

1383
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:26,220
work and Bohr's basically saying no

1384
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,760
consciousness is primary and and

1385
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,599
Einstein still wanted to believe there

1386
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,579
was a an objective world out there that

1387
00:50:36,589 --> 00:50:35,160
existed without us and and that's why he

1388
00:50:38,270 --> 00:50:36,599
said I'd like to know the Moon is behind

1389
00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:38,280
me When I'm Not Looking and actually no

1390
00:50:41,569 --> 00:50:39,660
the moon isn't behind you it says

1391
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,579
concept that that is going to have to

1392
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:44,220
change in terms of understanding that

1393
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:46,200
that we are creating the world this dual

1394
00:50:51,710 --> 00:50:48,780
slip thing that that when you uh or as

1395
00:50:54,170 --> 00:50:51,720
uh John Wheeler who's the uh successor

1396
00:50:56,930 --> 00:50:54,180
to Einstein at Princeton said there is

1397
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:56,940
no out there out there this is a

1398
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:59,700
participatory Universe we are we help in

1399
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,260
building the universe and that's

1400
00:51:05,329 --> 00:51:03,359
something that we we will gradually

1401
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,339
change We have forever to figure it out

1402
00:51:10,130 --> 00:51:07,680
but it's it's once that changes then we

1403
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:10,140
make the move and and and Consciousness

1404
00:51:14,210 --> 00:51:12,059
will take the place that it should but

1405
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,220
right now it's just been ignored it's

1406
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:17,460
like Richard Feynman said uh shut up and

1407
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:20,099
calculate just use the quantum physics

1408
00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:22,859
equations to make you know electronic

1409
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:24,180
stuff in business and stuff like that

1410
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,980
and forget about the site these

1411
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:28,380
philosophical implications of this dual

1412
00:51:31,309 --> 00:51:29,579
slit experiment all those kind of stuff

1413
00:51:32,990 --> 00:51:31,319
just a we don't need to explain what

1414
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,000
where this is coming from we just use

1415
00:51:38,089 --> 00:51:35,520
the the equations that work to make

1416
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:38,099
technological stuff but you and I and

1417
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,960
other people on this thing we're working

1418
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:41,640
on the bottom level is what does all

1419
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,440
this mean is quantum physics stuff it

1420
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:45,420
has very spiritual implications the same

1421
00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,099
as the UFO as I say in the end I say

1422
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,500
UFOs will be a lot less physical than

1423
00:51:52,970 --> 00:51:51,599
you think it'll be way more spiritual

1424
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:52,980
than people think and people will be

1425
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,960
very upset about that it's going to be a

1426
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,940
thousand at least a thousand times more

1427
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,800
complex than what we think we have no

1428
00:52:02,630 --> 00:52:00,599
pieces of the puzzle right now and it

1429
00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,640
will not have a hint of capitalism it

1430
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,920
has this what is now being worked on by

1431
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,960
science by DARPA and people swarm

1432
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:09,000
intelligence the fact that it's that

1433
00:52:13,190 --> 00:52:10,980
people working together as a as a system

1434
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,200
like a bi or like something like that

1435
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,359
are way more efficient to have all sorts

1436
00:52:18,829 --> 00:52:16,559
of things that you can't do as an

1437
00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,839
individual that that that's that's going

1438
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,339
to be the whole thing that even Tom

1439
00:52:24,109 --> 00:52:22,319
Delong said it's a hive mentality we

1440
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:24,119
have to kill them and we so we have this

1441
00:52:29,809 --> 00:52:27,540
idea but it is a a they're all doing

1442
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,819
their job they're it's not like uh we do

1443
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:31,920
we're we're in a football huddle and you

1444
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:33,119
say well I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

1445
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:34,680
block forget it I'm going for fast don't

1446
00:52:37,549 --> 00:52:36,000
tell me what they're doing everybody's

1447
00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:37,559
doing their own thing and and it all

1448
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,720
falls apart whereas the you can see the

1449
00:52:43,730 --> 00:52:41,520
intelligence behind this phenomena is

1450
00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:43,740
very organized it's just doing its job

1451
00:52:46,910 --> 00:52:45,300
just going through it and the

1452
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,920
experiences are the ones that are

1453
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,960
carrying the message like like Ron

1454
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,700
Johnson whose book will hopefully come

1455
00:52:54,109 --> 00:52:52,440
out and Chris bledso's book actually

1456
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:54,119
came out yesterday it was it was

1457
00:53:00,349 --> 00:52:56,400
released yesterday so did these messages

1458
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:00,359
gradually uh uh move across it's it's

1459
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:03,480
like uh as Max Planck said science and I

1460
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:06,359
would say ufology Advance one one

1461
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:09,359
funeral at a time and that when you get

1462
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,099
the new generation will not be offended

1463
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:13,260
with the ideas that they will pick it up

1464
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:14,819
and it will be oh yeah sure there's

1465
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:16,800
aliens there's all three dimensions and

1466
00:53:19,549 --> 00:53:18,300
stuff kids all believe that stuff

1467
00:53:21,170 --> 00:53:19,559
already you don't have to convince them

1468
00:53:23,089 --> 00:53:21,180
and they're the ones that will change

1469
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,099
the world we just have to do our little

1470
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,680
job to pass our little message along and

1471
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,839
uh it's like the Consciousness thing

1472
00:53:31,549 --> 00:53:30,300
once you get like 10 of the people then

1473
00:53:33,410 --> 00:53:31,559
the thing just flips it's suddenly

1474
00:53:34,910 --> 00:53:33,420
everybody like I say to people when did

1475
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:34,920
gay marriage sort of become acceptable

1476
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,420
and everybody goes I don't know like

1477
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:38,640
what 15 20 years it'll just happen and

1478
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,440
nobody really knew it happened it'll

1479
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:42,720
just flip and and people will suddenly

1480
00:53:49,549 --> 00:53:47,280
take it as as accepting uh reality it is

1481
00:53:52,490 --> 00:53:49,559
like a drip isn't it like a constant

1482
00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:52,500
drip and you know

1483
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:55,740
good point we've seen seating theories

1484
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,400
since former member of president

1485
00:54:03,650 --> 00:54:00,960
Eisenhower's National Security Council

1486
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,660
and foreign technology desk Colonel

1487
00:54:09,650 --> 00:54:06,359
Philip Corso's book day after Roswell

1488
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,660
and even before that and this theory of

1489
00:54:14,569 --> 00:54:12,480
seeding such as mentioned in the gifting

1490
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:14,579
field the site in New Mexico there seems

1491
00:54:20,569 --> 00:54:17,160
to be a connection to transfers of

1492
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,579
intelligence many people it seems are

1493
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:22,319
somewhat involved or seem to have the

1494
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:25,140
ability to take things from idea or

1495
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:27,660
Theory to Market without exactly being

1496
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:29,520
able to explain how they get from point

1497
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:32,700
A to point B and these ideas become

1498
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:34,740
patents and then the patents become

1499
00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:38,280
projects and I mean I think I think

1500
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,460
that's one of the reasons behind the the

1501
00:54:45,049 --> 00:54:42,960
non-disclosure is I was listening to uh

1502
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:45,059
I listened there's a podcast on DARPA

1503
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:46,920
just about DARPA projects and DARPA I

1504
00:54:51,049 --> 00:54:49,380
said since 1990 is the organization that

1505
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:51,059
will be working heavily on this thing on

1506
00:54:55,849 --> 00:54:52,260
the because they work on the Leading

1507
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:55,859
Edge and um the the the they had said

1508
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:58,319
that they the one guy had uh they

1509
00:55:02,210 --> 00:55:01,200
interviewed had 101 patents and one of

1510
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,220
the people that we've talked about

1511
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:04,200
earlier in the show was was Tim Taylor

1512
00:55:08,450 --> 00:55:06,540
now Tim Taylor when I talked to him

1513
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:08,460
there was no secret about who he was and

1514
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,619
his name and stuff it all came later all

1515
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,440
the secret stuff but when when it was he

1516
00:55:16,790 --> 00:55:15,180
didn't say don't keep my name secret or

1517
00:55:19,730 --> 00:55:16,800
he don't you know keep the secret away

1518
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:19,740
and he he I'm into downloads so I wrote

1519
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:21,780
the book on inspired the parent role of

1520
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:24,059
creativity about where Nobel prizes and

1521
00:55:27,230 --> 00:55:25,440
where people get their inventions and

1522
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:27,240
stuff like this out of the field and the

1523
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:29,220
people of ideas pop in their heads and

1524
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:31,079
stuff like that and Tim Taylor had that

1525
00:55:35,450 --> 00:55:32,880
so Tim was talking to me about his

1526
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:35,460
download and he had this one that was

1527
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,260
sold for millions of dollars on on

1528
00:55:42,430 --> 00:55:40,079
NASDAQ and he gets if you read the

1529
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:42,440
American Cosmic he has this this system

1530
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:45,839
of downloads where he'll he'll sleep for

1531
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:47,280
eight hours then he gets up and then he

1532
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:48,660
says you got to go back to bed for one

1533
00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:50,160
hour and you sleep for another hour then

1534
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,540
he gets up and he gets a big glass of

1535
00:55:55,730 --> 00:55:53,280
water and he goes and sits on on his

1536
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:55,740
deck in in Florida and he drinks his big

1537
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,960
glass of water in the sunshine and he

1538
00:56:02,750 --> 00:55:59,520
said at that point they start talking to

1539
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:02,760
him and so he's got 40 patents from from

1540
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:04,619
the intelligence he believes it's coming

1541
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,240
from the intelligence behind the UFO

1542
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:08,460
phenomena and the first one he said to

1543
00:56:12,290 --> 00:56:10,200
me he said you know Grant he said you

1544
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,300
know that idea I got it's in American

1545
00:56:17,690 --> 00:56:14,520
Cosmic where he that he gets taken to

1546
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:17,700
the the Pentagon and then this one star

1547
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:19,140
general yells like look it up on this

1548
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:21,000
idea and then they all pointed Tim

1549
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,800
Taylor and Tim's coming I thought he's

1550
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,960
going to get an award and and that one

1551
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:26,160
they actually put on the space shuttle

1552
00:56:29,569 --> 00:56:27,780
Tim told me that he was trying to get on

1553
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:29,579
the space shuttle and has to do it with

1554
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:31,800
uh not metal nut

1555
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:34,140
um you know interfering with joints

1556
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:36,540
where the the tissue and the joint will

1557
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,180
will work together and uh she said

1558
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:41,280
finally a scientist signed off on it and

1559
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,540
they put on the space shuttle Network

1560
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:44,880
and so then they they developed this and

1561
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:47,760
this huge company was sold for millions

1562
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:49,140
of dollars and Tim's not got 40

1563
00:56:52,609 --> 00:56:50,640
inventions and they're all medical

1564
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:52,619
inventions that that they're giving him

1565
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:55,680
so he claims that these these uh 40

1566
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:57,599
inventions have been given to him and

1567
00:57:02,089 --> 00:57:00,119
there's a lot of people who will claim

1568
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:02,099
that they're given like even uh Betty

1569
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:03,900
Andreas and I asked her husband resolved

1570
00:57:07,309 --> 00:57:04,980
stuff the government was watching

1571
00:57:08,750 --> 00:57:07,319
watching him and her and tapping the

1572
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:08,760
computer and I said well are they giving

1573
00:57:12,290 --> 00:57:10,559
your wife is the aliens giving your wife

1574
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,300
how to fly the ship he said absolutely

1575
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:14,400
she draws diagrams and I said well you

1576
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,599
surprised the government's watching you

1577
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:17,040
of course they're watching you they're

1578
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,720
trying to figure it out as well so yeah

1579
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:20,400
people are getting these inventions and

1580
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,960
that's what I say in in terms of

1581
00:57:25,609 --> 00:57:23,520
invention people think it's smart people

1582
00:57:27,230 --> 00:57:25,619
it's usually people that that get these

1583
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:27,240
Inspirations they're they're really not

1584
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:28,559
smart they're they're they're they're

1585
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,059
they're just right-brained people they

1586
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:32,280
can cut off same as most musicians top

1587
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,960
musicians can't read and write music

1588
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:36,960
they're they're very right brain music

1589
00:57:40,609 --> 00:57:38,700
reading music is a very left brain thing

1590
00:57:43,309 --> 00:57:40,619
that you practice scales and stuff like

1591
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,319
that where John or John Paul McCartney

1592
00:57:46,849 --> 00:57:45,119
said I've never done a scale nor do I

1593
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:46,859
ever intend to do a scale it'll ruin my

1594
00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,960
music and he can't read music and they

1595
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,520
just sit there and wait for this song to

1596
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,280
come see me Tim Taylor and Chris bledso

1597
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,680
gets a lot of messages and a lot of

1598
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,660
experiences will tell you that they get

1599
00:58:01,130 --> 00:57:59,460
messages they can tap into the field

1600
00:58:02,510 --> 00:58:01,140
there's all these books that are coming

1601
00:58:04,970 --> 00:58:02,520
I'm trying to help these people publish

1602
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,980
books and people like Ron Johnson have a

1603
00:58:09,589 --> 00:58:07,200
lifetime of experiences that basically

1604
00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:09,599
they want them to put this book out and

1605
00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:11,160
that happens over and over again and

1606
00:58:14,569 --> 00:58:12,839
I'll talk to people I'll say do you

1607
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,579
think you have a mission they'll say oh

1608
00:58:18,349 --> 00:58:16,079
absolutely I got a mission they'll say

1609
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,359
what the mission is or they'll say well

1610
00:58:21,530 --> 00:58:19,800
I think I got a mission I'm not sure

1611
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,540
what it is and that that's why I say

1612
00:58:25,490 --> 00:58:23,280
well you got to figure it out because if

1613
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:25,500
reincarnation is a fact that you and I

1614
00:58:28,849 --> 00:58:27,420
probably came here to do something and

1615
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:28,859
all we got to do is figure out what are

1616
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:30,420
we here to do and are we doing it and

1617
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,500
forget about what everybody else is

1618
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,880
doing because in the end I think when

1619
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:34,980
you when you cross over you just ask one

1620
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:36,900
question how did it work out because you

1621
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,460
and I planned it we put the whole thing

1622
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:39,599
together you can't blame your

1623
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:40,980
mother-in-law you can't blame the dog

1624
00:58:45,109 --> 00:58:42,839
ate your homework you can't blame the

1625
00:58:46,130 --> 00:58:45,119
government or you know whoever when you

1626
00:58:47,630 --> 00:58:46,140
get over the other side they're going to

1627
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,640
go time out time out this is about you

1628
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,440
don't bring anybody else how did you do

1629
00:58:53,450 --> 00:58:51,660
that well you had you know ups and downs

1630
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,460
how do you handle it down out how you

1631
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,319
handle the apps how did you add to to

1632
00:58:58,250 --> 00:58:56,640
the world how do you make it a better

1633
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:58,260
place that's all they're interested in

1634
00:59:01,730 --> 00:59:00,299
and every and apparently everybody says

1635
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:01,740
the same thing I could have done better

1636
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,780
and that's that's the bottom line to me

1637
00:59:08,030 --> 00:59:05,760
is I came here probably do something you

1638
00:59:09,410 --> 00:59:08,040
picked came here to do something and are

1639
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:09,420
we doing something to make the world a

1640
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,799
better place or are we not and that's

1641
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,480
that's all that really matters

1642
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,119
such a good point Grant it does seem

1643
00:59:20,329 --> 00:59:17,819
like we are all just little polished

1644
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,339
arrows in the Quivers of these Cosmic

1645
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:23,040
archers and this intelligence and it

1646
00:59:27,710 --> 00:59:25,020
brings me back you mentioned

1647
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:27,720
you know how a lot of these

1648
00:59:36,230 --> 00:59:32,940
downloads lead to medical or beneficial

1649
00:59:37,730 --> 00:59:36,240
in inventions and it reminds me of the

1650
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:37,740
principal investigator and chief

1651
00:59:43,970 --> 00:59:40,079
scientist on Skinwalker Ranch Eric Bard

1652
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,980
who has a similar track record and you

1653
00:59:49,789 --> 00:59:46,319
know this theory of seeding these ideas

1654
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:49,799
as you said they they go from patent to

1655
00:59:54,410 --> 00:59:52,079
project and they save lives in the

1656
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:54,420
medical field or help humanity and other

1657
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:57,720
inexplicable ways there seems to be a

1658
01:00:02,750 --> 01:00:00,180
universal Consciousness which if someone

1659
01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,760
doesn't monopolize on it it seems

1660
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:04,380
someone else involved in the same food

1661
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:06,599
chain will will shortly thereafter and

1662
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:09,480
as you know Jacque Valley is involved in

1663
01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:11,579
Venture capitalism and much like Venture

1664
01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:15,420
capitalism these businesses Technologies

1665
01:00:21,049 --> 01:00:18,480
and much more come in waves kind of like

1666
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,059
uh from somewhere else what do you think

1667
01:00:26,210 --> 01:00:24,000
the reasons for this are why are they

1668
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,220
seeding us

1669
01:00:31,130 --> 01:00:29,280
well I think it's it's just too move the

1670
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:31,140
process along to it's almost like Spirit

1671
01:00:35,089 --> 01:00:32,940
guides like they're they're there to

1672
01:00:37,190 --> 01:00:35,099
sort of help us we have to do our part

1673
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:37,200
to link in and that's the key where even

1674
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,660
Gary Nolan talks about linking in he

1675
01:00:44,089 --> 01:00:41,640
says at one point he says I don't know

1676
01:00:46,490 --> 01:00:44,099
how to I don't know what no how do you

1677
01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,500
think I I don't know

1678
01:00:50,030 --> 01:00:48,960
what it is but I know how to do it and I

1679
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:50,040
was just listening to another interview

1680
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:52,440
where he's talking about and I can

1681
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:53,640
understand when they start talking about

1682
01:00:58,250 --> 01:00:55,980
inspiration and downloads because I've

1683
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:58,260
had it myself and he I don't think even

1684
01:01:01,309 --> 01:01:00,059
Gary Nolan knows about it but he talks

1685
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:01,319
about this thing where he'll work

1686
01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:02,400
through the problem Works through the

1687
01:01:05,329 --> 01:01:04,200
problem and then he'll write it down on

1688
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:05,339
a piece of paper and put it beside the

1689
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:07,079
bed and he said either the next morning

1690
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:08,520
or was it next couple of days that

1691
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:10,020
question will be answered in his head

1692
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,299
and last of the interview I was

1693
01:01:15,470 --> 01:01:14,220
listening to last night he talked about

1694
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:15,480
he started talking about inspiration so

1695
01:01:19,730 --> 01:01:17,220
I started writing down exactly what he

1696
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:19,740
was saying and he said when it comes

1697
01:01:25,309 --> 01:01:21,660
when I get an inspirational idea it's

1698
01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:25,319
like a color or a flavor and I remember

1699
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:29,160
it because I know it's correct and

1700
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,900
that's the thing that impressed me most

1701
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:33,119
about my download is when you get one of

1702
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:35,099
these downloads it's not like a good

1703
01:01:40,430 --> 01:01:38,579
idea when it comes you know this is the

1704
01:01:42,530 --> 01:01:40,440
way it works it's true it's like where

1705
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,540
he says I know it's correct and that's

1706
01:01:46,849 --> 01:01:44,400
the thing the weirdest part is to try to

1707
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:46,859
explain to people you get this sense of

1708
01:01:50,450 --> 01:01:48,720
absolute certainty like the thing about

1709
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:50,460
is the world made out of Consciousness

1710
01:01:55,549 --> 01:01:52,680
or made out of matter when I had that I

1711
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,559
was I was walking down this street and

1712
01:01:59,329 --> 01:01:57,599
um it's I live in a very cold area so it

1713
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,339
was it was not winter but it was pretty

1714
01:02:04,250 --> 01:02:01,799
pretty cold out of gloves on and when it

1715
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:04,260
came I knew this is correct it was

1716
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:05,880
starting to come and it was the first

1717
01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:07,319
one download was just the three

1718
01:02:10,130 --> 01:02:08,700
Consciousness things where they put

1719
01:02:13,849 --> 01:02:10,140
these three pieces together in my head

1720
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:13,859
in 2012. the one in 2017 was coming and

1721
01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:16,140
it went on for a couple of minutes and

1722
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,359
it was just is it this or is it that you

1723
01:02:22,670 --> 01:02:20,160
got this wrong is is it one life is it

1724
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:22,680
multiple lives is it you know pattern is

1725
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:25,140
it is it uh not patterned all this kind

1726
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:27,119
of stuff and I knew this this is the way

1727
01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:28,559
it wasn't so I knew get a piece of paper

1728
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:30,359
and I get this piece of paper and I take

1729
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:32,220
my glove off and I'm quickly writing

1730
01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:34,140
this down as fast as I can and the

1731
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:35,460
anxieties are coming one after another

1732
01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,740
one after another and it's not like you

1733
01:02:41,150 --> 01:02:39,119
know it's correct you've got to write

1734
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,160
this down it's the way it works and and

1735
01:02:44,809 --> 01:02:43,200
then it came to maybe 15 of them or

1736
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:44,819
whatever and then it sort of eased off

1737
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,520
and I put the pan in my pocket back on

1738
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:49,200
started walking I think about five steps

1739
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:51,900
all said boom it starts again grab my

1740
01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,400
glove and I'm writing it down and that's

1741
01:02:58,250 --> 01:02:55,559
when I when I hear uh someone like Gary

1742
01:03:00,589 --> 01:02:58,260
Nolan says I there's a certain color or

1743
01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:00,599
a certain taste and I know I have to

1744
01:03:05,210 --> 01:03:03,180
remember that some that fact because

1745
01:03:07,789 --> 01:03:05,220
it's correct and he is he's the same

1746
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:07,799
thing it's this idea then he's got how

1747
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:09,299
many patents he's got piles of patents

1748
01:03:12,289 --> 01:03:10,799
it's the same thing so he says I don't

1749
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:12,299
know how it works but I know how to make

1750
01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:14,160
it work and he so he's working on this

1751
01:03:17,390 --> 01:03:15,599
pattern I think we can actually teach

1752
01:03:18,710 --> 01:03:17,400
people to do this because the idea that

1753
01:03:20,569 --> 01:03:18,720
everything is in the field all the

1754
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:20,579
inventions are in the field almost like

1755
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,680
uh you know a Tesla when it has the

1756
01:03:27,289 --> 01:03:25,200
alternating current and motor he's

1757
01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:27,299
walking through a a park at Budapest

1758
01:03:30,589 --> 01:03:28,680
with a friend and all of a sudden it

1759
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:30,599
comes into his head and he he draws it

1760
01:03:35,809 --> 01:03:33,000
in the sand he shows his friend hey look

1761
01:03:38,270 --> 01:03:35,819
at it and he draws this this top

1762
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,280
invention of all time that comes to him

1763
01:03:42,530 --> 01:03:40,319
and that's the thing is I think you can

1764
01:03:44,569 --> 01:03:42,540
teach that to people this this intuitive

1765
01:03:46,490 --> 01:03:44,579
thing of how to shut the the left brain

1766
01:03:48,589 --> 01:03:46,500
down and how to pick up the answer to

1767
01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:48,599
work started and to to put it beside the

1768
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:50,579
bed and these kind of meditations that

1769
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,680
people do and stuff like that that Gary

1770
01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:54,359
Nolan says you know I know how to do

1771
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:56,220
this now I know exactly how to and I do

1772
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,619
the same thing the way I do it is is my

1773
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,599
downloads come when I'm walking so I'll

1774
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:02,880
walk five six miles and and what it does

1775
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:04,680
is it quietens your your left brain down

1776
01:04:09,049 --> 01:04:07,260
and eventually it sort of goes off and

1777
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,059
then suddenly an idea and it's sort of

1778
01:04:12,049 --> 01:04:10,799
like your own head is like an idea of it

1779
01:04:13,970 --> 01:04:12,059
it's a real good idea and then you you

1780
01:04:15,109 --> 01:04:13,980
write that down and I think that's so

1781
01:04:17,210 --> 01:04:15,119
everybody has their different process

1782
01:04:19,609 --> 01:04:17,220
and mine is walking some people will use

1783
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,619
meditation Gary Nolan used to sleep

1784
01:04:24,190 --> 01:04:21,599
because just before you go to sleep just

1785
01:04:26,990 --> 01:04:24,200
before you wake up you have this hip of

1786
01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:27,000
hip-hopic states where you're in the

1787
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:28,740
other field and you're awake but you're

1788
01:04:32,569 --> 01:04:30,540
in the other field and these ideas come

1789
01:04:34,789 --> 01:04:32,579
to you or even like Deepak Chopra Deepak

1790
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,799
Chopra is written 90 plus books a deep

1791
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,780
rock troper says every single one of his

1792
01:04:40,010 --> 01:04:38,400
books is written by the same thing he

1793
01:04:42,410 --> 01:04:40,020
says when I wake up in the morning all I

1794
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:42,420
do is I I don't move I just lie in bed

1795
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:44,160
and I look at the ceiling and whatever

1796
01:04:47,930 --> 01:04:46,380
comes into my head is what I that the

1797
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,940
story for the day and he said that's

1798
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:50,160
where the 90 books come from from lying

1799
01:04:53,450 --> 01:04:51,900
in the bed for half an hour when he

1800
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:53,460
wakes up every morning and all these

1801
01:04:56,870 --> 01:04:55,140
ideas come to him and that's his 90

1802
01:04:58,670 --> 01:04:56,880
books is he doesn't take any credit for

1803
01:05:00,829 --> 01:04:58,680
them and so we could teach this I think

1804
01:05:01,970 --> 01:05:00,839
that's the contact modality thing is I

1805
01:05:03,890 --> 01:05:01,980
show there's all these different

1806
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,900
modalities that people use to get these

1807
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,480
ideas and they they pop out and that's

1808
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:08,400
why I think the the secrecy so if you're

1809
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,020
working on the on the black budget

1810
01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:11,760
program you're not going to release it

1811
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:13,559
you're going to fight the stop is being

1812
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:15,000
released because you're the guys getting

1813
01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:16,680
all the patents on this thing this stuff

1814
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:18,599
is going to be worth I know the one that

1815
01:05:22,130 --> 01:05:20,280
Tim Taylor sold I heard what this was

1816
01:05:23,930 --> 01:05:22,140
sold for I mean I'm talking we're

1817
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,940
talking huge money as this thing was

1818
01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:26,160
sold for so a patent's worth a lot of

1819
01:05:29,270 --> 01:05:27,720
money and if you've got an idea and

1820
01:05:31,730 --> 01:05:29,280
you're just about ready to develop this

1821
01:05:33,710 --> 01:05:31,740
some technology on the UFO medal or

1822
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:33,720
something on how to layer this stuff you

1823
01:05:37,010 --> 01:05:35,160
are not going to release it until you

1824
01:05:39,049 --> 01:05:37,020
got the Patent filed and so that's I

1825
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:39,059
think with the problem that you you're

1826
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:40,920
going to have is that everybody knows

1827
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:42,960
this is worth big money and they're

1828
01:05:46,609 --> 01:05:45,000
they're all holding back until they they

1829
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,619
can they can file their patents because

1830
01:05:49,970 --> 01:05:48,480
that's the way where I didn't realize

1831
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:49,980
that when you're in DARPA you can follow

1832
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:51,359
these patents it was just kind of weird

1833
01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:53,040
you you get the government to help you

1834
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:55,559
build this stuff and all the expertise

1835
01:05:58,670 --> 01:05:57,000
and graduate students and stuff like

1836
01:06:00,170 --> 01:05:58,680
that working for you and then you get to

1837
01:06:01,250 --> 01:06:00,180
file the path to make all the money I

1838
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:01,260
thought the government would own it but

1839
01:06:06,049 --> 01:06:03,839
no it's the scientist owns it it's

1840
01:06:07,970 --> 01:06:06,059
unbelievable it is a lot like Steve Jobs

1841
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:07,980
you know he had that idea this is what I

1842
01:06:12,109 --> 01:06:10,079
want the end product to be now figure it

1843
01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,119
out and

1844
01:06:16,670 --> 01:06:14,160
um Tim Taylor I mean he has a book that

1845
01:06:19,549 --> 01:06:16,680
I read called launch fever which is a

1846
01:06:21,710 --> 01:06:19,559
great read subtitled an entrepreneur's

1847
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,720
journey and I love how you mentioned the

1848
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:24,000
sleep eight hours setup uh get up go

1849
01:06:28,370 --> 01:06:25,680
back to bed for an hour then the solar

1850
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:28,380
download now nanotech is still

1851
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,680
technology and I wanted to read a small

1852
01:06:36,010 --> 01:06:33,299
portion out of your book if it's okay

1853
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:36,020
which is nano okay

1854
01:06:42,170 --> 01:06:39,240
nanotechnology used for spaceships and

1855
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,180
how our ships in a sense are grown and

1856
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,920
they have this ability to shift their

1857
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:46,079
shape and even within the cabin to

1858
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:49,020
provide what we need when we need it and

1859
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,299
when we don't need it it is simple it

1860
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,520
simply absorbs back into the walls or

1861
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,160
the floors or the ceilings and it's all

1862
01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:58,559
made out of selling the same seamless

1863
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:00,960
material again we're back to this

1864
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:05,880
biological almost grown entity and

1865
01:07:12,289 --> 01:07:08,640
lastly why do you believe it is that

1866
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,299
only 14 of the experiencers are able to

1867
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,400
fly the craft

1868
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,799
well it may be this certain things are

1869
01:07:20,990 --> 01:07:18,480
given like a lot of people

1870
01:07:23,630 --> 01:07:21,000
um I'm doing an interview with uh James

1871
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,640
Ian Dolly and his big thing seems to be

1872
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,859
driven by this he's given this sort of

1873
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:27,359
end of the world scenario so everybody's

1874
01:07:30,770 --> 01:07:29,039
got their own little Mission so a lot of

1875
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:30,780
people have this like Chris Bledsoe his

1876
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,760
message is not the technology his

1877
01:07:38,390 --> 01:07:35,039
message is this uh message from the lady

1878
01:07:40,190 --> 01:07:38,400
about the the Oneness and and uh you

1879
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:40,200
know love is the core of the universe

1880
01:07:44,029 --> 01:07:41,940
and all this kind of stuff where people

1881
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:44,039
are so the the flying of the ship thing

1882
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,859
I think is is part of a and they're

1883
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,720
maybe not even flying the ship but you I

1884
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,920
guess you would be because you because

1885
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:51,359
it's all mental you're trying to get

1886
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,039
across this idea so the message that

1887
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,440
they have is this mental idea because a

1888
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,880
lot of the stuff you start to see it

1889
01:08:00,049 --> 01:07:58,559
shifts that's where people say well

1890
01:08:01,670 --> 01:08:00,059
we've got a flying around I'm going keep

1891
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:01,680
your head a shake you look at some of

1892
01:08:06,069 --> 01:08:04,680
the stories these Pilots tell about the

1893
01:08:07,970 --> 01:08:06,079
inside of the ship there's there's

1894
01:08:09,589 --> 01:08:07,980
absolutely no way we have this

1895
01:08:12,890 --> 01:08:09,599
technology the latest one I just heard

1896
01:08:14,809 --> 01:08:12,900
and and it's in a 1973 Leonard

1897
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:14,819
Stringfield who used to do the trash

1898
01:08:18,530 --> 01:08:17,219
retrieval stuff he had like 300 people

1899
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:18,540
come to him and tell them about

1900
01:08:22,910 --> 01:08:20,699
autopsies and crashes and stuff and I'm

1901
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,920
going that's that's seating man there's

1902
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:24,480
I've never had a person coming to me

1903
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:26,160
talk to me about well I was a part of a

1904
01:08:31,130 --> 01:08:29,040
alien autopsy Chris he had like three or

1905
01:08:34,490 --> 01:08:31,140
three people came to him and and he had

1906
01:08:37,309 --> 01:08:34,500
a 1973 case where where a pilot or a

1907
01:08:38,749 --> 01:08:37,319
photographer was flown from Hawaii to

1908
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:38,759
Norton Air Force Base and then was

1909
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,440
driven too much two hours away from

1910
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,239
Norton Air Force Base and went into this

1911
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:44,699
Hangar and they had this crane and on

1912
01:08:48,890 --> 01:08:46,739
the crane they had a netting and inside

1913
01:08:51,890 --> 01:08:48,900
the netting was this UFO that was 30

1914
01:08:54,530 --> 01:08:51,900
feet across and so this guy's job was to

1915
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:54,540
film the inside the panels and if you

1916
01:08:58,010 --> 01:08:56,100
see in the in the sky pilot book I

1917
01:08:59,809 --> 01:08:58,020
actually have Chris Bledsoe draws the

1918
01:09:01,729 --> 01:08:59,819
panels I asked them to draw they have

1919
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,739
all these symbols on the panels so this

1920
01:09:06,050 --> 01:09:03,900
guy's job was to go in and film all the

1921
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:06,060
panels inside the ship and get these

1922
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:07,620
these uh I guess they're going to try to

1923
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:08,759
figure out what the pat with the with

1924
01:09:12,590 --> 01:09:10,440
the symbols mean or whatever and he said

1925
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:12,600
when he went in the ship he said it was

1926
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:14,160
30 feet across and we went inside the

1927
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:16,080
shop up and he said I could pick up

1928
01:09:20,749 --> 01:09:18,359
football and I could throw it as hard as

1929
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,759
I as I could against any wall and I

1930
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:22,859
would not hit a wall it was that big a

1931
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,779
guy from New Zealand I just interviewed

1932
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:26,640
he said he was on the ship he looked to

1933
01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:28,380
the left he could not see the end of the

1934
01:09:31,849 --> 01:09:30,299
ship he could not see it was so long it

1935
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:31,859
was so big he couldn't see him he looked

1936
01:09:34,669 --> 01:09:33,000
to his right he couldn't see the end of

1937
01:09:37,189 --> 01:09:34,679
the ship it was that big and they

1938
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:37,199
describe as you described just read that

1939
01:09:39,890 --> 01:09:38,580
they can actually change the ship they

1940
01:09:42,349 --> 01:09:39,900
can make the ship as big as they want

1941
01:09:45,709 --> 01:09:42,359
they can make things disappear the guy

1942
01:09:47,329 --> 01:09:45,719
from uh Japan talked about they pulled a

1943
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:47,339
book out of a wall the ball the wall

1944
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:49,020
looked like totally seamless and the guy

1945
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,400
just put his hand by the wall and this

1946
01:09:54,169 --> 01:09:52,319
book appeared out of the wall and and

1947
01:09:55,610 --> 01:09:54,179
and and that kind of stuff where they

1948
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:55,620
can they can make it as big as they want

1949
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:57,540
that goes back to the first one when Pam

1950
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:59,160
Dupuis first told me that story I was

1951
01:10:01,550 --> 01:10:00,300
gonna throw out a house I thought she

1952
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:01,560
was totally nuts like come on your

1953
01:10:05,450 --> 01:10:03,840
flying ship going they got stupid yeah

1954
01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:05,460
I'm not gonna believe that and then she

1955
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:07,380
told me the later thing she said oh I

1956
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:08,760
think they can make the ships as big as

1957
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,440
they want they have ships that are as

1958
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,960
big as the solar system and even today I

1959
01:10:16,790 --> 01:10:15,120
go yeah okay oh yeah sure yeah and

1960
01:10:18,890 --> 01:10:16,800
that's the thing I mean that if that's

1961
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:18,900
true if that technology is actually true

1962
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,280
that they can make it as big as they

1963
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:21,840
want or as small as they want you can

1964
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:24,780
walk past a rock on your walk you know

1965
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:26,820
down down in a park and there's a rock

1966
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,500
there and inside that rock there may be

1967
01:10:32,390 --> 01:10:30,480
a civilization inside there this is this

1968
01:10:34,010 --> 01:10:32,400
whole idea that that it can be as big or

1969
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:34,020
as small as they want and they can they

1970
01:10:37,790 --> 01:10:35,520
can make things disappear it's all

1971
01:10:39,530 --> 01:10:37,800
seamless and it's all alive and and

1972
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:39,540
that's the key thing I think people have

1973
01:10:42,530 --> 01:10:41,040
to realize is that when you're going to

1974
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:42,540
have ai when you're going to have this

1975
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:44,400
kind of stuff it has to be alive it has

1976
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:47,580
to have biological uh uh components to

1977
01:10:52,850 --> 01:10:49,500
it because biological components like

1978
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:52,860
like a even an atom or like a like a a

1979
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,719
small insect you think they're stupid

1980
01:10:59,030 --> 01:10:56,880
they've got all sorts of only a B has

1981
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:59,040
only a million neurons and they can do

1982
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,480
all sorts of things that human beings

1983
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:02,400
could not even begin to do they can't

1984
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,620
count they can they can describe exactly

1985
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:06,480
how far things are away at what angle so

1986
01:11:10,189 --> 01:11:08,580
the sun is just you the more you look at

1987
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,199
them the smarter they look and it's this

1988
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:12,780
biological aspect that biology is able

1989
01:11:18,050 --> 01:11:15,000
to take in from the environment is able

1990
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,060
to absorb and then make it bigger add to

1991
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,920
it and and bring it out and make the

1992
01:11:23,930 --> 01:11:21,719
world just keeps getting bigger and more

1993
01:11:25,610 --> 01:11:23,940
complex and more intelligent this sort

1994
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:25,620
of thing so all the biological material

1995
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:28,020
is doing it and and metal unless you

1996
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:30,000
have the biological element to this

1997
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,620
thing you won't and I think that's what

1998
01:11:35,450 --> 01:11:33,780
what get green not kid green well I

1999
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:35,460
guess kid Green's involved too but what

2000
01:11:38,390 --> 01:11:36,480
they're trying to do is they're trying

2001
01:11:40,729 --> 01:11:38,400
to look at the DNA where you could

2002
01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,739
change the DNA and to me it's the idea

2003
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:43,080
if you can get the DNA and you can input

2004
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,239
uh different things in there maybe you

2005
01:11:49,790 --> 01:11:48,239
can input uh how a bird flies if you can

2006
01:11:52,910 --> 01:11:49,800
find out you know the the the the the

2007
01:11:54,350 --> 01:11:52,920
the the the DNA part of the the bird and

2008
01:11:56,570 --> 01:11:54,360
put that in there and this intelligence

2009
01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:56,580
you can actually build an intelligence

2010
01:12:02,209 --> 01:12:00,480
by altering DNA to give it quality so

2011
01:12:03,890 --> 01:12:02,219
that it gets more complex more complex

2012
01:12:05,149 --> 01:12:03,900
and eventually you can build ships

2013
01:12:07,370 --> 01:12:05,159
that's what you're going to have to do

2014
01:12:09,050 --> 01:12:07,380
it out of DNA material and that's when I

2015
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:09,060
when I see Nolan working on that I think

2016
01:12:11,810 --> 01:12:10,560
yeah I don't know maybe they're maybe

2017
01:12:13,310 --> 01:12:11,820
they're going down that road they're

2018
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:13,320
trying to figure out you know how can

2019
01:12:18,410 --> 01:12:16,800
you the ship is biological and how do

2020
01:12:20,209 --> 01:12:18,420
they get the biology into the DNA

2021
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,219
because the DNA is just like a like a

2022
01:12:24,290 --> 01:12:22,560
big Library full of all the material

2023
01:12:26,450 --> 01:12:24,300
needs to be known and if you could add

2024
01:12:27,950 --> 01:12:26,460
into that and add components to that or

2025
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:27,960
if the beings can show you how to do it

2026
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,600
or you can get their DNA or they get the

2027
01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:32,640
metal and figure out how it's done I

2028
01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:34,560
mean that that's the key but I think

2029
01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:36,360
we're so far away I said at least a

2030
01:12:40,729 --> 01:12:38,340
thousand times more complex the more you

2031
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:40,739
look at it the more complex it looks and

2032
01:12:46,250 --> 01:12:43,380
when 1975 when I started all it was was

2033
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,260
UFOs and they're probably from uh you

2034
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:48,000
know some other planet and they're made

2035
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:49,679
out of you know nuts and bolts that got

2036
01:12:54,350 --> 01:12:52,020
an engine in there and uh they

2037
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:54,360
accidentally came here and there's been

2038
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,040
four abductions it was okay Travis

2039
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:58,640
Walton and 67 of police officers

2040
01:13:03,649 --> 01:13:01,020
Pascagoula and Travis was abducted the

2041
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:03,659
same year as I as my experience and that

2042
01:13:07,070 --> 01:13:05,159
was it there was four abductions it was

2043
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:07,080
not a big thing now it's like you know

2044
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,760
every all this abduction and then you

2045
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:10,620
start wondering is abduction actually

2046
01:13:14,149 --> 01:13:12,420
abduction because nobody ever sees

2047
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:14,159
anybody being abducted are people being

2048
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:16,560
indicator is this a mind thing or is it

2049
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:18,900
all mind thing is it all you know out of

2050
01:13:23,149 --> 01:13:21,239
body experiences all mental is there

2051
01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:23,159
even a physical world that's you start

2052
01:13:26,930 --> 01:13:24,420
getting into that stuff and you look at

2053
01:13:28,189 --> 01:13:26,940
the very complexities of UFOs and you

2054
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,199
start to wonder if there is even a

2055
01:13:31,850 --> 01:13:30,000
physical world whether whether it's just

2056
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:31,860
you know made out of Consciousness or

2057
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,540
stuff and there's no way we're close to

2058
01:13:38,450 --> 01:13:35,280
that yet because we still are in this

2059
01:13:40,010 --> 01:13:38,460
sort of uh Paradigm of the material

2060
01:13:42,050 --> 01:13:40,020
world that has given us cell phones and

2061
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:42,060
we think that you know if you're a a

2062
01:13:48,110 --> 01:13:45,719
Mystic in in a Buddhist guy who has all

2063
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:48,120
this ideas about how the how the Maya

2064
01:13:51,229 --> 01:13:49,260
works and all this kind of stuff are the

2065
01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:51,239
Hindus uh he can't build a cell phones

2066
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:53,340
he's stupid we have this idea that if

2067
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,380
you can build material then you're smart

2068
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,960
but anything philosophical is that it

2069
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:59,580
really doesn't count for for anything

2070
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,159
it's that material domination which

2071
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:04,560
which is slowly shifting which I think

2072
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:06,300
with the new kids coming in with Star

2073
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,699
Wars and the ideas of Science Fiction

2074
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:11,040
and all this kind of stuff that we are

2075
01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:13,920
being shifted slowly and surely and it's

2076
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,420
all all about the lessons so it doesn't

2077
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:17,880
matter if we get here get to the end you

2078
01:14:20,450 --> 01:14:19,140
know a thousand years from now we're

2079
01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:20,460
like in the west we want everything

2080
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:22,500
yesterday but here it could be a

2081
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:23,880
thousand or ten thousand years it really

2082
01:14:27,050 --> 01:14:25,739
doesn't matter it's a journey are you

2083
01:14:29,450 --> 01:14:27,060
actually learning something because it's

2084
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,460
you and I coming in and we may come in

2085
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:31,199
as the evil alien next time or we may

2086
01:14:35,689 --> 01:14:33,300
come in as they you know whatever the

2087
01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:35,699
gray or whatever because I always say to

2088
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:37,500
people if they start maintaining the

2089
01:14:41,450 --> 01:14:39,480
Grays or reptilians or evil then I say

2090
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:41,460
well if you're born next next lifetime

2091
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:43,320
as a reptilian or you know evil no it's

2092
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,820
just about the experience like they're

2093
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:46,080
learning we're learning everybody's

2094
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:47,460
learning you're living these things and

2095
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:49,500
you may come back as your greatest enemy

2096
01:14:53,450 --> 01:14:51,480
the next time to learn the lessons that

2097
01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:53,460
you needed to learn about about him and

2098
01:14:58,430 --> 01:14:56,040
it's all about lessons and and all it's

2099
01:15:00,410 --> 01:14:58,440
all just a uh there's a comedian that I

2100
01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:00,420
always try to never remember his name

2101
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:02,580
but he was a comedian he died very young

2102
01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:04,560
and he talks about the ride it's called

2103
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,520
the ride and um he says it's life's like

2104
01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:10,080
a ride he says you get on this like a

2105
01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:11,640
roller coaster you get on there and it's

2106
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,760
so real you actually think this actually

2107
01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:17,280
happening you go up and you go down you

2108
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,080
go round and round and there's lots of

2109
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:21,960
noise and the noise and lights flashing

2110
01:15:26,090 --> 01:15:23,460
and you get to the end and you get off

2111
01:15:28,189 --> 01:15:26,100
you go oh it's just a ride and that's

2112
01:15:29,930 --> 01:15:28,199
what life is it's just a ride you you go

2113
01:15:31,550 --> 01:15:29,940
up and down around and around you learn

2114
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,560
things and you don't learn things and

2115
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:33,120
then you get off and it's it's a ride

2116
01:15:37,850 --> 01:15:35,880
you get off the stage as as Shakespeare

2117
01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:37,860
says all the world's a stage all the men

2118
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,540
and women are but actors they have their

2119
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:41,940
entrances and exits and each man plays

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many roles so we're playing with as I

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01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:46,920
say to people you are not the actor on

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01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:48,719
the stage you are playing an actor on

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01:15:51,709 --> 01:15:50,340
the stage because you're a King Henry

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01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:51,719
the eighth in grade 12. doesn't mean

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01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,800
you're thinking Andre the eighth anymore

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01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:55,020
you just played it it's just a role and

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01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,640
when you leave the stage you're going to

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01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:58,800
leave that role almost like Whitney

2129
01:16:03,470 --> 01:16:00,659
strieber's wife came back to him after

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01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,480
she died she said Whitley I am no longer

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01:16:08,270 --> 01:16:06,000
Anne but I will always be and to you

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01:16:09,890 --> 01:16:08,280
she's on into another life and and

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thanks for the life we played and I

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01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:11,640
played Anne in your life thank you for

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01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:13,140
that experience and that's what it's

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01:16:16,910 --> 01:16:15,120
about so experience I'm learning it's

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01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:16,920
about adding to the universe adding to

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01:16:20,330 --> 01:16:18,360
the intelligence adding to the

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01:16:22,850 --> 01:16:20,340
magnificence of the universe take it in

2140
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,860
experience it and create something and

2141
01:16:25,970 --> 01:16:24,480
and make the world a better place and

2142
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:25,980
that's what it's all about

2143
01:16:33,850 --> 01:16:28,980
so true grant and I I love that comedian

2144
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:37,250
speaking of legendary that this has been

2145
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:40,560
great the UFO Sky pilots pilots of peace

2146
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:44,340
and Oneness and you you I mean there's

2147
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:46,440
more than 50 witnesses that have told

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01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,600
you the exact same details in this book

2149
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,420
you present over three dozen UFO Sky

2150
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:53,760
Pilots that you've interviewed about

2151
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:56,400
their experiences they all tame they all

2152
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:58,920
say the same fantastic story with

2153
01:17:04,729 --> 01:17:01,440
similar accounts the witnesses range

2154
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:04,739
from average civilians to retired Air

2155
01:17:09,410 --> 01:17:07,500
Force Colonels and the accounts in this

2156
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:09,420
book seem to support the fact that

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01:17:14,570 --> 01:17:11,880
Consciousness is crucial to

2158
01:17:16,910 --> 01:17:14,580
understanding the UFO mystery such an

2159
01:17:18,830 --> 01:17:16,920
amazing contribute contribution as far

2160
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:18,840
as a book is concerned Grant it's

2161
01:17:23,149 --> 01:17:21,120
another mind-blowing book to add to your

2162
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:23,159
list about the research and

2163
01:17:28,729 --> 01:17:25,620
investigations you do and you bring this

2164
01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:28,739
all so altruistically to all of us your

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01:17:33,950 --> 01:17:30,900
work is greatly appreciated by myself

2166
01:17:35,689 --> 01:17:33,960
and I hope countless others where can

2167
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,699
listeners get your book where can they

2168
01:17:39,169 --> 01:17:37,679
keep up with your work and keep up with

2169
01:17:41,810 --> 01:17:39,179
your efforts

2170
01:17:44,330 --> 01:17:41,820
well Ryan um I have

2171
01:17:45,590 --> 01:17:44,340
um uh I don't have a website anymore I

2172
01:17:46,570 --> 01:17:45,600
used to have the website and then I took

2173
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:46,580
it down

2174
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:49,500
the presidential one once I made the

2175
01:17:54,770 --> 01:17:51,840
shift and it was very complex and I

2176
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,780
couldn't run it so uh presidential UFO

2177
01:18:00,530 --> 01:17:56,640
is my Facebook site where I'll post

2178
01:18:03,590 --> 01:18:00,540
stuff every day uh Grant Cameron uh at

2179
01:18:06,110 --> 01:18:03,600
Grant Cameron is my Twitter account and

2180
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:06,120
I have a YouTube White house UFO YouTube

2181
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,360
where I interview people and I have a

2182
01:18:15,709 --> 01:18:12,239
podcast which is called uh paranormal

2183
01:18:19,610 --> 01:18:15,719
UFO Consciousness podcast where I uh

2184
01:18:21,130 --> 01:18:19,620
interview uh a lot of the skypods on on

2185
01:18:23,810 --> 01:18:21,140
my

2186
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:23,820
paranormal UFO Consciousness podcast if

2187
01:18:29,149 --> 01:18:26,640
you go to the first 12 episodes that I

2188
01:18:32,270 --> 01:18:29,159
did last year I have most of the sky

2189
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:32,280
pilots on there or say 12 Skype outs uh

2190
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,679
Chris blesso is on there describing so I

2191
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,239
I actually have the interviews with

2192
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:38,400
these with these Sky palettes and you

2193
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:40,679
can actually hear them talk about it and

2194
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:42,840
so that that's what I I basically we do

2195
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:44,760
it I I don't really keep any secrets I

2196
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:46,140
used to have sort of like high level

2197
01:18:49,610 --> 01:18:48,179
contacts but they all cut me off because

2198
01:18:52,010 --> 01:18:49,620
I can't keep a secret can't keep my

2199
01:18:54,290 --> 01:18:52,020
motion and I say like the the biblical

2200
01:18:55,790 --> 01:18:54,300
thing with prophet of the man he gains

2201
01:18:58,250 --> 01:18:55,800
the whole world and loses his own soul

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01:19:02,090 --> 01:18:58,260
so I basically put everything I I

2203
01:19:05,090 --> 01:19:02,100
learned on uh my presidential UFO

2204
01:19:06,350 --> 01:19:05,100
Facebook site and uh people know you

2205
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:06,360
better if you want to keep it secret

2206
01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:07,860
don't tell it to Grant because he'll

2207
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:11,159
post it right away I try to anything I

2208
01:19:15,410 --> 01:19:13,440
hear I put up there and that's where you

2209
01:19:17,330 --> 01:19:15,420
can sort of keep on the latest uh stuff

2210
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:17,340
that I'm doing and things that I think

2211
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,900
are important for people to learn and

2212
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:20,400
the latest the latest books that are

2213
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,719
coming because I have I have a whole

2214
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:23,520
series of books coming out with the next

2215
01:19:27,169 --> 01:19:25,320
one is this one on airports and

2216
01:19:29,030 --> 01:19:27,179
manifestations which is also very

2217
01:19:31,850 --> 01:19:29,040
important because I go through the the

2218
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,860
whole story of Leslie Kane talking about

2219
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:33,840
the hand that appeared in the physical

2220
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:35,820
sales three or four times that she

2221
01:19:39,530 --> 01:19:37,199
encountered and that's what I think

2222
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,540
they're doing is that they're able to

2223
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:41,760
come in like a like a like a physical

2224
01:19:46,910 --> 01:19:44,340
man infestation that Leslie gained the

2225
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:46,920
New York Times saw appears a hand and

2226
01:19:51,169 --> 01:19:48,960
she shot felt the hand touched the hand

2227
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:51,179
she said it was a real hand it banged on

2228
01:19:54,290 --> 01:19:52,679
the table and then he just sort of

2229
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,300
disintegrated and went back where it

2230
01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:55,920
came from and I think that's what these

2231
01:19:59,209 --> 01:19:57,540
all these intelligence are doing they

2232
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,219
can come into our physical environment

2233
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:01,920
uh take our vibration appear for a

2234
01:20:06,530 --> 01:20:03,420
couple of minutes and then go back where

2235
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,540
they came from and we are again we are

2236
01:20:11,209 --> 01:20:08,880
the same thing we we can we can do the

2237
01:20:13,490 --> 01:20:11,219
same thing as them uh we just don't know

2238
01:20:15,770 --> 01:20:13,500
it so uh watch White House a

2239
01:20:18,770 --> 01:20:15,780
presidential UFO on Facebook and that'll

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01:20:21,410 --> 01:20:18,780
basically tell you uh what we're up to

2241
01:20:24,410 --> 01:20:21,420
thank you so much your work is greatly

2242
01:20:26,570 --> 01:20:24,420
appreciated uh by myself and so many

2243
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:26,580
others have a very blessed day Grant

2244
01:20:29,870 --> 01:20:28,440
thank you so very much

2245
01:20:33,050 --> 01:20:29,880
beautiful

2246
01:20:36,830 --> 01:20:33,060
absolutely amazing conversation I know

2247
01:20:39,890 --> 01:20:36,840
we could go on for hours and hours about

2248
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:39,900
this and maybe we will have another

2249
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,239
episode with Grant or maybe I'll go on

2250
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,760
his podcast we'll definitely have to

2251
01:20:48,410 --> 01:20:46,860
cross that bridge when we get there I

2252
01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:48,420
would love to talk to him more because

2253
01:20:53,209 --> 01:20:51,120
he is a Fountain of Knowledge when it

2254
01:20:55,550 --> 01:20:53,219
comes to this stuff the theory of

2255
01:20:58,030 --> 01:20:55,560
seeding how many people seem to be

2256
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:58,040
involved the things they have in common

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01:21:02,930 --> 01:21:00,540
and sure

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01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:02,940
um they or our friends these Cosmic

2259
01:21:08,570 --> 01:21:05,820
controllers who control the the

2260
01:21:11,090 --> 01:21:08,580
intelligence or the craft involved

2261
01:21:12,790 --> 01:21:11,100
are dropping these bread crumbs not only

2262
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:12,800
of

2263
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:15,780
Metallurgy and meta materials but also

2264
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:18,420
breadcrumbs of knowledge and it seems

2265
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:20,640
that when it comes to this stuff uh it's

2266
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,679
stuff people aren't supposed to know the

2267
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:24,960
whole picture we're not supposed to have

2268
01:21:29,390 --> 01:21:27,480
the complete picture in our minds we

2269
01:21:33,169 --> 01:21:29,400
just need pieces of the puzzle that

2270
01:21:36,010 --> 01:21:33,179
probably are placed there and come

2271
01:21:41,209 --> 01:21:36,020
together to create interact and engage

2272
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,219
with the entire conscious effort and it

2273
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:43,920
brings me back to uh the universe in

2274
01:21:51,530 --> 01:21:47,580
general and a great quote from Edgar

2275
01:21:54,229 --> 01:21:51,540
Casey the spirit is the life the mind is

2276
01:21:55,310 --> 01:21:54,239
the Builder and the physical is the

2277
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:55,320
result

2278
01:22:02,570 --> 01:22:00,000
All in This Book UFO Sky pilots pilots

2279
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:02,580
of peace and Oneness by Grant Cameron

2280
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:05,100
definitely pick up the book definitely

2281
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,520
support Grant and his research

2282
01:22:12,709 --> 01:22:10,320
investigations and efforts

2283
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:12,719
he's one of the good ones until next

2284
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:15,420
time keep your eyes to the skies feet on

2285
01:22:22,970 --> 01:22:17,580
the ground but don't forget to take a

2286
01:22:34,990 --> 01:22:25,560
okay

2287
01:22:38,990 --> 01:22:35,000
[Music]

2288
01:22:42,370 --> 01:22:39,000
come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I

2289
01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:42,380
feel like an evizing Blast Off Blast Off